the USS Liberty
:eek: ;j
what do you think ?
I don’t see how it’s a taboo. Perhaps you meant another word? I mean I suppose it’s taboo to attack our own ships, but then this is a case of Israel attacking our ship.
So it is an American taboo for Israel to try and sink an American ship? Nope, I’m still confused. Is this some clever ploy to drive a wedge between Israel and the citizens of the U.S.?
I mean that Americans have a strong urge to shut down everyone who wanna talk about this case
Maybe you are right, but it could also be that this happened a very long time ago during the Six Day War. I’m pretty familliar with this issue, both with disclosed information and some un-disclosed information but I’m not familliar with anyone preventing me from learning about this.
Can you back that up at all? Admittedly it’s hard to demonstrate a lack of information, but something must have given you the idea that there was an active effort to prevent widespread discussion of the torpedoing of the Liberty and subsiquent loss of life for some 30 odd sailors. Are we talking conspiracy here, or just a lack of interest in discourse by the American public?
Hell Israel also sold missile and radar technology to China a few years back and while there was a lot of media furor over that for a while some shiny object came along (OJ Simpson I think) and we were quickly distracted and have since forgotten it for the most part.
so you agree that Israel did this on purpose
I bet most people in USA do not know what You mean.
It is that much taboo.
Havel: I personally know they did this on purpose. I also have some insight as to why, as well as why it might have been viewed as a good idea at the time. But the reasons have nothing to do with a cover up nor do they prove a cover up. Hell there might well be people involved in both sides that don’t really know why that ship was attacked, or why the attack ceased for that matter. Can you demonstrate an effort to prevent Americans from knowing about this other than a lack of presented information?
Henry B: Most people in the U.S. don’t know why liquor bears a tax. That does not prove that there is a conspiracy to hide the truth about the whiskey rebellion. While something may be a flaw in our educational system, I don’t think that makes it a plot.
Most DOPERs don’t know how many fillings I have had in my mouth, but I’m not hiding the inbformation. I just don’t think anyone is interested.
Zen101
Why? I thought there were a series of mistakes made… obviously, and a communication breakdown. What, in your opinion, really happened?
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to answer why Israel did what they did with this “ghostship”:
here are some
from the article ‘The USS Liberty’: America’s Most Shameful Secret
by Eric S. Margolis
[qoute]Why did Israel try to sink a naval vessel of its benefactor and ally? Most likely because ‘Liberty’s’ intercepts flatly contradicted Israel’s claim, made at the war’s beginning on 5 June, that Egypt had attacked Israel, and that Israel’s massive air assault on three Arab nations was in retaliation. In fact, Israel began the war by a devastating, Pearl-Harbor style surprise attack that caught the Arabs in bed and destroyed their entire air forces.
Israel was also preparing to attack Syria to seize its strategic Golan Heights. Washington warned Israel not to invade Syria, which had remained inactive while Israel fought Egypt. Bamford says Israel’s offensive against Syria was abruptly postponed when ‘Liberty’ appeared off Sinai, then launched once it was knocked out of action. Israel’s claim that Syria had attacked it could have been disproved by ‘Liberty.’
Most significant, ‘Liberty’s’ intercepts may have shown that Israel seized upon sharply rising Arab-Israeli tensions in May-June 1967 to launch a long-planned war to invade and annex the West Bank, Jerusalem, Golan and Sinai.
A member of President Johnson’s staff believed there was a more complex reason for the cover-up: Johnson offered Jewish liberals unconditional backing of Israel, and a cover-up of the ‘Liberty’ attack, in exchange for the liberal toning down their strident criticism of his policies in the then raging Vietnam War.
Israel, which claims it fought a war of self defense in 1967 and had no prior territorial ambitions, will be much displeased by Bamford’s revelations. Those who believe Israel illegally occupies the West Bank and Golan will be emboldened.
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The attack has NEVER been investigated by the US government.
A lot of people have failed to do any research on Israel or the U.S.S. Liberty incident. The count was America 34 dead, 171 wounded. Israel 0. Mistake! As the commanding officer put it, It was the best planned mistake he ever saw!
segments from the article ‘The USS Liberty’: America’s Most Shameful Secret
by Eric S. Margolis
On the fourth day of the 1967 Arab Israeli War, the intelligence ship ‘USS Liberty’ was steaming slowly in international waters, 14 miles off the Sinai Peninsula. Israeli armored forces were racing deep into Sinai in hot pursuit of the retreating Egyptian army.
‘Liberty,’ a World War II freighter, had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic ‘ears’ including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon.
‘Liberty’ had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.
[…]
Edited down due to copyright concerns. Please post a link or a SHORT excerpt only. --Gaudere
The rest of it is to read here
Some friendly-fire screwup? You’re claiming THAT is America’s biggest taboo?
You need to get out more. Possibly to a good library where you can read up on the Alien and Sedition Act, among other not-so-proud moments in U.S. history.
it was NOT a friendly-fire screwup
Well thats one story I suppose. It’s not an accurate one by any stretch of the imagination but it seems to be a popular story with folks who want to paint the world with a black and white paint brush.
The ship was listening in on secure communications between IDC commanders and field units. Not a difficult task since the IDF equipment was pretty much provided by the U.S… There have been claims that the eavesdropping got a bit more agressive and that some misdirection was in play in the hopes of stalling Israeli advance. The U.S. was terrified of Soviet action at the time and felt Israels advance might spur this on.
The “pearl harbor” like attack Havel mentions did and didn’t happen. There was an initial border incursion coming both from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The Syrian line was headed for Haifa to secure the port and deny the IDF a resupply point (which turned out to be moot anyhow).
The reason the Israeli Air Force managed to eat Egypt’s lunch was because they didn’t engage with anyone else’s air force until they took our Egypt who was still sitting on the airfield (poor communication or planning). Once Egypt was removed as an air threat Israel engaged the other air targets and cleaned their clocks (superior training, luck, whatever) and then povided close air support.
All of this happened about as fast as I’m typing it. On reason it went like this is Israel was prety damned paranoid about something like this happening and had about a zillion plans depending on what came from where and with what kind of force. Thanks to the other nations for having next to no communications between one another and having overly complex supply lines as well.
The reason the U.S. does not spend much time investigating or moaning about this is 1) they were interfering with a soverign nations right to defend themselves (which we do all the time) and 2) they gave back half of Egypt to cool things down.
No one benefits from publicising this, but it’s too public to cover up. Again I am an American person. I’m fairly knowledgeable about this stuff (of course our European and Russian friend may disagree because I know better than to buy the “Israel=evil plot” story). Where did I get this information if there is some conspiracy to cover up the information?
Watergate was a cover up, this is just a source of mutual national embarassment for both Israel and the U.S.
Thanks for this interesting information. I googled USS Liberty and read a few accounts of what happened. I did not see this explanation. I realize “googling” does not qualify as “researching”. 
Here is an other theory why Israel attacked:
USS Liberty
Did Israel commit one war crime to hide another?
By James M. Ennes, Jr.
Washington Report readers know the story well. In 1967 on the fourth
day of the Six Day War, the armed forces of Israel attacked the American
intelligence ship USS Liberty for 90 minutes in international waters in
broad daylight following several hours of close, low-level
reconnaissance. Thirty-four men died, 171 were hurt, and the ship was
so badly damaged that it had to be scrapped.
The government of Israel has lied about the circumstances ever since,
telling a story markedly different from that told by American survivors…
[…]
Edited down due to copyright concerns. Please post a link or a SHORT excerpt only. --Gaudere
http://www.ussliberty.org/washrp96.txt
here is the hompage to the USS Liberty
here is a quote from the famous author Tom Clancy:
Tom Clancy in his book “The Sum of All Fears”:
The key to it, Qati knew, was whether or not the
Americans would put real pressure on the Zionists.
They’d never done so. They’d allowed the Israelis
to attack an American warship and kill American
sailors–and forgiven them before the bleeding
had stopped, before the last victim had died. When
American military forces had to fight for every
dollar of funds from their own Congress, the same
spineless body of political whores fell over itself
giving arms to the Jews.
Havel, go away.
Your anti-semitism is thinly disguised, your posturing ridiculous. You are wearying to read.
Why are you so scared of Jews?
All hatred is based on, & rooted in, fear.
Why are you frightened of these people?
And please, answer without quoting The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion or whatever the hell that piece of propaganda was called. It was written by the Czar’s secret police, & discredited years ago. :wally
Your answer haven’t anything to do with my thread
But it does have things to do with what you say in the thread.
And incidentaly, The Sum of All Fears ain’t a cite.
Go away.
Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor and Michael Ellis, is this the highest level of discussion You can reach, or do You just have a bad day?
After reading the thread http://www.ussliberty.org some months ago, I feel that every American should know about it as a part of their history.
Or is American history “a piece of propaganda”?
If it would happen to my country, it would be very unpatriotic to hush-hush it away with a: “Go away”
But maybe You are not Americans and it have never happened to Your country?
December taught me an Jewish word, in another thread, about a guy that killed his parents and then asked for forgivness in front of the court, because he was an orphan!
Somehow it came to my mind, but unfortunately I have forgotten the word.
December is a great teacher, even if it takes some time for me to grasp his education.