An Appeal For Leadership

I’m bringing this to the Pit primarily because I think this is where the leaders are, but secondarily because it might likely be welcome nowhere else. Because it is the Pit, I suppose I’ll have to do this in the form of a rant or complaint with lots of cursing. Whatever it takes to make this happen, within both reason and my abilities, I am willing to do.


It all started here:

Like Jesus said, “Talk is cheap.” You’ll be “right on board”? Well, where the hell are you? I don’t see your name on the list, pal. And don’t pretend you haven’t seen anything about this.

I made a fucking database. I put it on our own fucking site, with a fucking ASP page that reads the data and displays it. I don’t see a Jack fucking Batty.


Someone’s spewing hatred against gays? Now, who among these Dopers might be most inclined to fight such a nutwad with an absolute vengeance? Lesseee… Esprix? No, no, wait a minute, lessee … Esprix? No, no, I’m trying to think of who’s the guy with the Ask the Gay Guy MCMXLII thread, lessee… Exprix? No, dammit!

Oh! I know who I’m trying to think of … it’s ESPRIX!

There’ve been nearly 2 dozen offers of specific help, including fifteen fucking hundred dollars in fucking CASH! What the fuck does it take to motivate you to do more than just meander in and out of the thread one day? A couple of posts begging you to rise to the occasion? Nope, that didn’t do it. An e-mail? Nope, that didn’t do it. This thread? Who knows, we’ll see.


People, we’ve got people who have offered time, money, legal advice, programming skills, domains, hosting, bank accounts, and more.

BUT WE CAN’T FIND A FUCKING LEADER!

The page is beginning to sink to the bottom of MPSIMS and on to page 2. There have been 1,654 views of that thread with only 85 responses. The Phelps Watch page itself has had only 61 hits.

WHERE IS A FUCKING LEADER?


I don’t begrudge anyone who has said they don’t have time to organize this project. I don’t either. But I think it should be clear that I am willing to do what I can. Aside from building a database and ASP page, and entering the data myself, I’ve posted all over the place.

This is my last fucking hurrah. I’m probably already going to be toasted for scolding the ever popular Esprix, but guess what. I don’t give a fuck. That’s right. I think this cause is important, and if anyone wants to get so petty as to turn it into a fight over hurt feelings, then fuck you!

Our feelings don’t matter. What matters is that Fred Phelps is continuing to spew out his vile hate over the Internet and no fucking body cares enough to lead the charge.


If this appeal doesn’t get us a president, then I don’t want to hear any more fucking whining about fucking morons like Fred fucking Phelps and Jack fucking Chick.

Fuck anybody who whines. They’re just cheap talk. Nothing more.


If there is someone out there with the balls to take this on, then go to this thread and announce yourself. I’ll adjust the database accordingly.

Otherwise, may the laziness, hypocrisy, and just plain shame of people who talk shit but won’t do shit haunt them for the rest of their miserable fucking lives.

Aw, son of a fucking bitch. Here’s my fucking sig. […mumbling… …fucking default unchecked boxes…]

Or, I guess you could volunteer.

You fucking moron. Can’t you fucking read? Sheesh. Get the fuck out o’ here.

Dammit.

Milossarian? How about you? If ever there was a leader…

Lib-

I was willing to offer my services as leader, but Esprix had already posted and made a semi-acceptance of the position.
If he is not willing or able to do so, I hereby offer to head this thing up.

PRAISE GOD!

I don’t think a semi-acceptance is sufficient.

Thank you, John! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I’ll make the announcement right away. Please go to MPSIMS and give us your directions. (Feel free to review the resources available to you at Phelps Watch.) We can’t wait to help!

This thread may now be closed, please.

My, we are quick on the draw, aren’t we, Lib? I thought patience was a virtue? Guess my having been considering this since yesterday, including sleeping on it last night and trying to figure out where I might be able to fit this into my schedule, has been for naught.

Congratulations, John.

And, Lib, I am going to assume you meant the entirety of the OP in Pit-like jest. If you were at all serious, I’d have to have some words with you…

Esprix

Whoah, now, don’t lock it up just yet.
I would like to respond to something. First of all I didn’t know a god-damned thing about your database until I read this thread. If you’d like to add me to it as providing moral support, feel free. I just can’t afford to pledge any money to anything right now, and believe me there are a ton of worthwhile causes I’m interested in.
I don’t like feeling like I need to defend myself, so that’s all you’ll get from me right now.

I’d also like to say that I don’t want to turn this into a “hurt feelings pissing match either”, but Liberterian, you have to work on your humor skills (if that is infact what you were shooting for). Opening a thread which basically sets me up for example and ridicules me and accuses me of apathy is not a way to get my support.

I see upon preview that Esprix seems to be considering your OP in the same light as I am. The differnce being that I am actually pissed off. But I don’t want to cloud the issue. I do think this is a worthwhile project. I just don’t like being made to look like an ass. So next time, have a fucking clue.

Have a nice day. :slight_smile:

Okay, guys. Shut you yaps and lets join hands together. Get thee to work. Batty, get over to MPSIMS and make your pledge of money or resources. Esprix, you still have lots to do. Remember, you’re the guy with PayPal. :wink:

Now, lock it please. Time to look ahead, not behind.

Um, perhaps you’d like to address the things put to you? I’m confused as to your rush rush rush.

Esprix

And I have a certain quote from you in the related MPSIMS thread that I may want to hash out with you.

Esprix

Esprix

The only serious part of my OP was the first paragraph. That’s why I blocked it off the way I did. (When have you ever heard me curse so much!)

All I care about is this cause. Why? Because what Phelps is doing is evil. Whatever I have to do to counter his hate, I am willing to do. I’ll kiss you right slap on the ass if that is what is necessary to get this done.

Why the rush? Because that is the nature of momentum. A surfer must catch the wave as it comes by. If he deliberates too long, he’ll miss it.

This isn’t about you. It isn’t about me. It’s about a madman and the vomit that he’s putting on his website. Have you seen it? Matt has been in hell for 1,075 days? They are going to pickett the funeral of the fag pilot who died in the Pennsylvania crash?

They must be countered. Now. Not tomorrow. Right now.

You can still take a leadership role. Nothing is stopping you from doing whatever you wish. You just need to coordinate it with John. I’m doing things on my own too, like the Phelps Watch page. But now I will fall in line and do whatever John says.

Peace, my brother. I love you.

There are several things I’d like to say, but since I agree with you that countering Phelps is more important, I will respond only to the thing that I feel needs a public response.

You do not know me IRL, so you would not, could not know what I already do to “counter the forces of evil,” as t’were. My time is already well-spent doing much more than my share for the gay community. (And not all of us can be the whiz-bang do-it-all kid wonder that is matt_mcl, either.) I know Phelps is a blemish of humanity, but I will not be somehow guilted into doing more than I am capable of doing (and therefore doing a slip-shod job), as I know my limits all too well. The implication that I’m sitting on my hands doing nothing because I did not jump in feet-first without taking the time to carefully consider the possible negative consequences of such an action on both my life and this effort (knowing how important it is), offends me, and “I love you, go in peace, let’s move on” does not, IMHO, sufficiently cover your ass.

Do not be confused - I will help out with this cause in whatever way my talents, and time, permit, just like everyone else, because it is a worthy one. I appreciate that you think so highly of my skills, but your attempt to get me to “rise to the occassion,” rather that inspire me, has insulted me. You do not motivate a volunteer organization using scare tactics, or you risk coming off as a rabid loony rather than passionate about a cause. The ends, in this case, do not justify your means, IMHO.

Again, for anyone who might question the above, I consider this a seperate, personal issue that is unrelated to the cause against Phelps.

Esprix

Your point is duly noted.

I apologize for placing you in a position you consider embarrassing. I truly regret in any way hurting your feelings. And I really really do love you and respect you more than you will ever know. (Ask my wife, Edlyn, what I’ve said about you for over a year now.)

Your reproach is justified. I was wrong to jump the gun so brashly.

BUT.

For this cause, I would do it again and would pray for your understanding and forgiveness. I simply feared that it would all fall apart without expeditious leadership, just as all things tend to do. Looking objectively, once your feelings have mended, you’ll be glad this happened this day.

Okay? Can we stand together as friends?


Now, PLEASE close this thread.

What am I – chopped liver? I’m the one who you actively set up as the “guilt fall guy”.

Esprix said it better than I - “I will not be somehow guilted into doing more than I am capable of doing”.

I just told you in my previous post that I cannot afford to pledge any money to any charity other than the “Jack Needs to Figure Out A Way To Move Across Country With No Savings Foundation”. So stop begging me for money, it only makes me feel bad for not being able to contribute, and it will make you feel bad for not having enough money.

It’s great that you apologised to Esprix - and I don’t even care if you apoplgise to me. I just want to make it clear that I think you are going about this all wrong, and your willingess to do it the same way all over again despite knowing that you’re pissing people off, makes you fucking pig-headed.

So in conclusion: Fred Phelps - Fuck you. Libertarian: Stop trying to help if this is the best you can do.

Dude, I heard that the president of the that charity was just indicted for running off to Reno with his secretary. Don’t give them anything.

One charity I like to support is
The Abe Babe Home for Barely Legal Nymphomaniacs.

Lemme know if you want a tour of the facilities,

Okay, Batty, I’m sorry. Okay? I didn’t ask you for any money, but I did reference your post. You said you wish something could be done. Something’s being done. Be happy.