From The Smallest Minority: Bitter Clingers
Of course the real gaffe is that Romney came out and said it.
Haven’t looked at the article, but I thought the whole “cling to religion and/or guns” was a right wing propaganda machine’s out-of-context lie–pretty much on par with the intentional lie of Al Gore “inventing” the Internet.
The first group was trying to figure out how to appeal to those who seemed to disagree with them. The leader pointed out that they’ve faced a lot of economic frustration, but that cultural issues matter too. Except he said it in a condescending manner, which made it a gaffe.
The second guy said that 47% were a bunch of moochers and that they would never vote for him, so why try?
Very different arguments. One is trying to reach out to the other half, the other is saying to hell with them, because they will never take responsibility for their [del]tax returns[/del] lives. That horse won’t dance.
Actually, no, they are not both correct. Romney’s “47%” figure has been thoroughly debunked in several threads on this subject.
Now OP, do you believe that elderly people collecting Social Security benefits (from a system they’ve paid into for most of their lives) are freeloading moochers, and furthermore that they vote Democratic as a bloc? The reason I ask is because they make up a significant fraction of the “47%” Romney was referring to. If you do believe this, I’d appreciate it if you could explain your logic.
Lastly, only one of the two statements basically says that nearly half the population of this country is ethically and morally worthless, and a drag on the other half. Shall we discuss which statement that is?
I just watched Meet The Press and there was a Romney surrogate there (a token vagina no less - and I can say that being a vagina owner myself)…
She kept harping on how Romney would get these people off of food stamps… but completely ignores the fact that you can work full time for minimum wage and still qualify for food stamps.
So, the only thing that I can think is that Romney intends to raise the minimum wage. After all, do they think that Walmart is suddenly going to pay higher wages voluntarily just because Romney won? Or, perhaps there will suddenly be so many high paying jobs after all the unions are busted that Walmart has to close its doors for lack of employees?
The reason there are so many people on food stamps is because the economy sucks and wages are actually going DOWN while the price of food is going up. What exactly is Romney’s plan to correct that? crickets
And of course, Romney forgets that he gets a lot of votes from that 47%. Obama also gets a whole lot of votes from the 53%. So, no, Romney wasn’t right about what he said.
The idealistic Utopian concepts conservatives have about everyone individually succeeding without outside assistance along the way is so childish.
We are a collectivist social species. Without each other we are all just survivorman hoping to live through next week and doing it without all the modern materials. Resource coordination to ensure that people are educated when they’re most able to absorb that knowledge and early enough to maximize it’s advantages help us all.
The military, the infastructure, police, fire departments, universally accessible healthcare. These all create more value than they cost. Private industry does not do everything well. The idea that a corporation could run a hospital is absurd, the only way it works is with partnership with a vast government subsidized network of research, consumer protection, technology and education.
You pay for unemployment insurance while you work, you pay for social security while you work. People that can never work because of serious disabilities cost the government and society huge sums if we try to ignore them, much less with better outcomes if we don’t.
We organize resources to get the best results for all of us. If it’s inefficient at times due to corruption or lack of insight that is what needs to be attacked, not the idea that we should do things together. Markets tend toward monopoly and away from low profit ventures that are needed by society. (Such as new antibiotic research or cures for diseases).
This asinine Ayn Rand philosophy is complete nonsense similar to a denial of evolution in biology. I know it feels good when you’re amped up on testosterone and watching a mad max flick, but its just a fantasy.
It’s amazing how you can take a
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(Obama: No Surprise That Hard-Pressed Pennsylvanians Turn Bitter | HuffPost Latest News) out of context and twist its meaning around 180°.
Obama said that the President is the leader of all Americans and should strive to help everyone, even those that disagree with his politics.
Romney hates old people, soldiers and cripples.
See the difference?
Romney’s response would have been better with the monocle included.
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It’s amazing how you can take a
It’s not out of context, we have the full video, the more of it you watch the worse Romney looks. The out of context defense is in hopes people won’t look at the context and assume its unfair. It’s not.
Obama suffered politically for his comments, you just want people to say, well years ago the president said something offensive as well and have Romney somehow not suffer political damage for something worse?
Obama was saying there are a lot of rural people who are xenophobic and gun nuts, he’s right. Romney is saying that the 47% that don’t pay income tax feel entitled to things they don’t deserve. If you look at the group he’s describing it’s completely stupid, inaccurate and about as insulting as it gets.
Oh, I can think of other ways to get them off of food stamps. Like, say, eliminate food stamps entirely: That’d do the trick. And hey, if they’re hungry, they can just get loans from their parents to buy food.
Tapioca is talking about Obama’s speech being taken out of context, not Romney’s.
Oh well, my bad, i read sarcasm into it from the way his summary was written.
No, they are not nearly the same.
Obama said what he said and then urged people not to characterize those voters or write them off. He said we need to appeal to them too, that they are scared. Mitt Romney said those people are moochers and he should forget about them
Or alternatively, they should just go downstairs and look in one of the fridges. There’s always some cold filets or some pate or something else yummy to eat.
Farmers, ADM, and Cargill would have a shit fit.
Or sell some bonds Daddy gave them.
If by “interesting” you mean predictably whiny adolescent Randian bullshit, sure.