An Intruder Breaks Into Your Home -- What Are You Gonna Do?

Most of the good points are already taken, but here are a few scraps…

  1. Decided NOW if you are capable of killing in self defense, and under what conditions. Adjust all your plans to meet your decision. Make sure you’re comfortable with the decision you’ve made. Review it fairly often. If the crisis is already upon you, it’s too late.

  2. Plan all scenarios (a’la Strong):
    a) Coming home to confront a burglar leaving the house.
    b) Coming home to meet a burglar after you’ve entered the house.
    c) Kids/others at risk.
    d) Kids, etc. not at risk.
    e) And so on…

  3. Call for help ASAP. First. Immediately. Better a false alarm than no help.

  4. Avoid physical confrontation if possible: Nothing in your house is worth your life, save for your own life, or the lives of the people you love.

  5. Retreat if necessary, and possible.

  6. Close-quarters fighting, if forced to it: At arm’s length, a good box-opener is as effective as a firearm, if not more so (Al Capone’s advice: RUN from a knife, RUSH at a gun). Short, heavy bludgeons are also good choices. Bats and most ‘billy clubs’ are too long, unless you’re in a large room. A really strong flash-gun or spotlight isn’t a bad choice, as long as you can count on not blinding yourself. If you must use a firearm, a 20ga shotgun, either a double barrel, or a slide-action, is a good choice. Shooting accurately under stress is hard to do, so keep it simple (those of you whom have been well trained, and are current, are free to do what works for you). Use #4 shot, or smaller: At house-ranges, #4 will be as effective as a slug, but is less likely to over-penetrate and hit someone you don’t want hit. At night, close one eye before squeezing the trigger, so you won’t be completely blinded by the flash.

  7. If you’re overcome, or a family member is hostage, you’re better off escaping. If the Perp knows that the police are on the way, or at least that a witness is on the loose, they are less likely to do something irrevocable. The Police have hostage negotitiation teams, and they’re very good at what they do. Trust them.

  8. DON’T do a John Wayne. He was an actor, this is real life.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Amusingly enough, this actually happened to me.

I was awoken one morning at about 6am by clinking glass from the kitchen. I listened to it for a moment, and decided it sounded like a cat or some other small animal had gotten into the house, and was rummaging around in the sink.

I got up, put on a t-shirt, sweats, and slippers, and moved slowly from my bedroom down the hall toward the kitchen. I didn’t turn on any lights, and I moved quietly. If it was a raccoon or something, I didn’t want to startle it and get clawed up. My plan was to check it out, then retreat to the front door, open it, flip on the lights, throw something down the hall into the kitchen, and retreat behind my bedroom door for a bit, giving the animal a chance to find its way outside. I was carrying one of my broadswords (I have a collection of more than a dozen blades of various types) to swat the animal away if it suddenly turned on me.

I got about halfway down the hall, where I could see into the kitchen, and suddenly stopped. Through the large kitchen window above the sink, I could see a man on the deck outside, trying to force the window. The clinking glass I had heard was the stuff on the windowsill being knocked off into the sink: spoon rest, small flowerpot, etc.

I stood and watched him for a moment. He was thin, unwashed, uncoordinated; his threadbare short-sleeved t-shirt was filthy and full of holes. Unknown to him, the window was actually nailed shut, and wasn’t supposed to open. After a couple of minutes of shoving on it, he still hadn’t figured this out, and was alternating between working and resting. Every time he stopped to rest, I could see he was shaking and out of breath. Clearly he was some kind of junkie.

I watched him for a few seconds, trying to decide what to do. I thought about calling the police, but I knew they wouldn’t be there for a few minutes, and this guy was maybe a minute from gaining entrance. If he succeeded, he’d have a selection of butcher knives right there on the counter, and I didn’t think that would be such a great idea. I also considered going upstairs and waking up my roommate, who slept with a Glock under the pillow. Again, this might take too long, and I was a little worried my roommate would just up and shoot the guy, maybe leaning out his window. Also, not such a great idea. I briefly considered going back out the front door, around the house, and confronting him, but dismissed that as really not a great idea.

My decision was guided mostly by my emotional reaction. I wasn’t scared at all of the guy; he was more pathetic than anything. Whenever he stopped to rest, he’d look inside, gazing covetously at the copper cookware hanging over the stove. Without a doubt, that was his target. He’d unload them at a thrift shop, or maybe just take them to a foundry and sell them for the metal. He wasn’t here to do us harm; he was chasing the dragon, nothing more. There’s no way this guy had a weapon of any kind, I was certain. He had no jacket, which limited his concealment options. If he had a knife, he’d be using it to get the window open. If he had come across a gun, he would immediately have sold it to get money for drugs. Junkies like that are rapidly stripped of all of their personal possessions, anything that can put a few more dollars of rock in the pipe.

So I leaned the sword against the wall, flipped on the light, and stepped forward to the kitchen door.

He froze at the light, with an almost comically confused look on his face, like a cartoon character who just heard a big dog unexpectedly growl from offscreen. After a moment, he looked over and saw me standing there.

Long pause.

I raised my eyebrows, spread my hands, and shrugged in perplexity: Hey dummy, what are you doing?

He blinked at me for a moment, then bolted. It had been raining, and the deck was wet, so he couldn’t get purchase as he tried to run; he ended up sailing headfirst down the stairs. Luckily for him, he cleared the wooden steps entirely, landing in the soft, wet soil at the bottom. By the time I got to the window, he was gone, leaving only the large dent where he had hit the ground.

I stood there for a couple of minutes, looking outside, and then I went upstairs to shower and head off to work. Never saw him or anyone else come back.

Why did I react this way? Two reasons.

First, I’d had another intruder scare when I was 12 or 13. I was on a weekend visit with my dad and stepmother. I was woken up in the middle of the night by noises downstairs – you guessed it, clinking dishes in the kitchen. I listened to make sure, then went and woke up my dad. He was pissed, but then there was another clink. He got his little revolver (a .22) and sneaked down. Long silence. Then my dad lets out a bloodcurdling scream. Another long silence, as I wait with my now-awakened stepmother; my younger brother comes out, likewise startled awake. Finally my dad stomps back upstairs, pissed off: “Fucking cat. I almost shot it.”

Second, I’d had an apartment robbed a couple of years before. Thousands of dollars of stereo equipment was taken. The cops came in, did a bit of fingerprint dusting, had us sign a complaint, and that was the end of it. I certainly didn’t expect them to catch the thief, but I was mildly surprised at how routine this seemed to them, as if I were telling them about picking up laundry instead of finding stuff stolen and a huge crap on the bathroom floor. And of course, I heard absolutely no follow-up from anyone; my little tragedy was obviously very small potatoes in the grand scheme.

So, when I heard noises, I immediately thought “cat.” And when I saw the would-be thief, I viewed him as a pathetic junkie rather than an evil home invader. I scared him off and went about my business without bothering to call the cops. When I told my roommate about it later (without mentioning my concern that he might have capped the guy), he was equally nonchalant: “Really? Weird. You want pizza?”

My sentiments exactly.

I’ve fired it without ear protection before. In an enclosed area. Loud, but not like my .44 Mag.

This keeps coming up, and, respectively, I keep having to challenge it. My door is 12 feet from where I would stand. IMO, A 12-gauge with an 18 inch barrel will simply not spread that much more that it would cause an appreciable increase in accuracy at that range.

Plus, you forgot the 30-round clip. :smiley:

Or, the enraged serial rapist starts firing blindly into the room…and I’m not trusting my puny little arms holding a bat against a 250 pound man.

No storage problems…fits by my bed just fine.

You mean spontaneously? :confused:

NO children are allowed in my house; any that are are trespassing and/or there for criminal intent.

I have to admit, this is a new argument. I like cleaning and taking care of my weapons, it teaches discipline and safety IMO.

As I posted in techchick’s thread a bit ago, there are worse things than going to jail. A whole lot worse - like being raped. And mutilated. Enough said.

Exactly how I feel. Anyone invading my house has forfeited their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And I will accept whatever society deems as a remedy for my actions.

Like I said - there are worse things than jail, should it come to that.

Why am I not surprised to see Kellerman coming around again? Doesn’t it seem like we all have to bury this thing every couple months or so?

My two cents’ worth:

If I was in the classical “hear a funny noise, possible burgular” situation, I’d most likely grab a bat or similar instrument as the first move, then check it out. If the noise is really suspicious, I’d call 911 first.

Guns aren’t for me, so that isn’t an option – besides, I figure that the burgular is probably unarmed, and is more interested in a quick “grab and pawn” job than anything else (there are easier ways for a crook to steal money if he has a gun than to break into a house).

Though to be honest, I’d take preventive measures to make sure I’m not placed into such a situation. I see nothing wrong with having a good security system for your home, along with prominent signs and stickers to deter the casual thief. At a minimum, window bars and/or security glass is always an inexpensive option, and routinely locking doors is just a good habit to get into IMO.

Note I’m not criticising anyone for bringing it forward. After all, we on the “Pro” side have a duty to continue to refute any points we feel are illegitimate within it. I’m only expressing frustration with seeing it so many times in Gun Control threads. I think UncleBeer had a stroke the last time it came up, and he’s just now recovered bladder control, so… :smiley:

Notice the emphasis this time, kids.

You said to provide cites. I did. From the New England Journal of Medicine, in fact. And I realize that the initial study has some flaws, but maybe you advocate throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I don’t.

FACT: A gun in a house will most likely never be used…

FACT: If a gun in the house is used, it is more likely (how much more likely is a matter of debate, I’ll leave that to the statisticians) to NOT be used in self-defense, but instead as a weapon of suicide, accidental shooting, or even being turned on the owner BY a criminal or family member.

Oh, and as for whomever accused me of being “anti-gun,” please take your unwarranted assumptions and shove them where the gun don’t shine. I ain’t Bill Mahar and never claimed to be. Why is it that anyone who comes in with a view that doesn’t parrot the morinic NRA is suddenly anti-gun?

I am quite in favor of YOU having your gun. I don’t want criminals to have a gun. I realize that no plan will make these items guaranteed, but I do think that testing and wait periods do not infringe upon your rights yet do make a difference in helping the problem.

I see a lot more people using fireworks (and blowing off their hands) in states where you can get them on the roadside than I ever did in NYC where everything above a Sparkler is illegal.

You want a source for that? Me, resident of NYC and NC at various times.

I’m all for this being “well regulated,” because I love our Constitution and I am all for feeling safer without infringing on rights. Nothing I said proposes to do so. Lighten up.

Satan,

The reason this frustrates us, is that this is NOT a fact.

It has NOT been established by the Kellerman study.

IzzyR:

If you are strongly interested read “Strong on Defense” by Sanford Strong or “The Truth About Self Protection” by Massad Ayoob. For this particular topic I have to give the edge to Strong’s book. They cover this in more detail they I could reasonably do so here.

But to answer your question, two situations that are especially problematic.

  1. Living in a home that has a single exit.

This can be a real problem, since you are probably going to encounter your burglar. If you live on the 2nd story of an apartment seriously consider taking the window. By hang jumping (where you climb out the window, hang from your hands from the ledge and then let go. Do NOT push yourself away from the building as this will cause you to land on your back) you should avoid most injury. Even from the 3rd story you are likely to end up only with a broken leg. Remember to bend your legs as you hit the ground.

If you are in a high rise apartment, you simply have to escape as best as you can. Run as fast as you can.

The bottom line always is avoid staying in the home to highest degree possible. You always want to get as much distance from the criminal as possible.

  1. Kids. Having kids in the house makes things very difficult. As a basic rule, it shouldn’t be a factor. You should notify the authorities and escape as quickly as possible (always always always have help on the way!). Of note, is the fact that a criminal is less likely to commit an act of violence against a child (most criminals have a high disregard for those who harm kids). This is of little comfort if you have the misfortune of encountering the one that does. The odds are greatly in your favor that the person will burglar the home and leave with the kids unharmed, or if he gets caught in the house by the police the odds are again in your favor that it will be resolved with no harm to your kids. Again, this is of little comfort if you have the misfortune if it doesn’t turn out that way.

Realistically, it is very hard for a parent to abandon their kids. So, here are some tips:

  1. Make sure your kids are practiced in the escape plan. This so absolutely vital. Your kids may end up being the ones who wake up to the burglar, and they need to know how to escape and call for help! Your kids may end up being the ones that save your life by contacting the police. As an aside, they should also know how to escape in case of fire.

  2. If you live on the ground floor of an apartment or single level house, you can try to help your kids escape from the outside after escaping yourself.

  3. Plan to make your escape from your child’s window. This can be quite practical if your bedroom is close to your child’s.

  4. Have an audible burglar alarm with a trigger in your bedroom. When your kids wake up they will know to escape. This will not reveal your position. The only drawback to an audible alarm is that you lose the ability to hear the burglar, but this is a relatively minor price to pay.

However, again, be prepared to have to make the tough choice and abandon your kids in order to save all of you. It does them little good to stay with them and for you to die because of this.

Yes it is. Feel free to twist the numbers anyway you wish, but even if it weren’t the case but the numbers were just close, that would give ME PERSONALLY enough evidence to not want a gun in my house, especially if I had kids.

I’ve seen the numbers with my own eyes. I realize that both sides distort the fuck out of them. I also have enough evidence to make up my own Goddamned mind about what I want or do not want in my house.

Why do all of you gun nuts assume that everyone who doesn’t want a gun is somehow deluded or lied to? I read the facts - from sources other than the NRA and without any real agenda - and made up my own mind.

As for me “needing” a gun in my hand, you want me to scan in and put online some of the several certificates that the NRA awarded me for rifle shooting accuracy? The assumptions I have seen in this thread are exactly why I avoid Gun Control debates. Creationists are easy compared to this.

Trust me: If I can live in the neighborhood I live in now - let alone shitty neighborhoods in Brooklyn and I don’t want to say how many times I was lost driving around some of the most putrid neighborhoos in the country in DC and Baltimore - and never need a gun, I don’t think you NEED one.

But if you WANT one, I ain’t gonna stop you. Have fun. I hope you never have to use it, and I really hope that you never have it used against you.

What, does being pro-gun meaning forcing me and others who don’t really feel that one is needed to have a gun against our wills?

And if not, why are you all assuming the opposite of me?

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*Originally posted by Satan *
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I’ve seen your pic Satan… There’s a reason you never need a gun… Anyone who looked at you and thought that fucking with you seemed like a good idea was either killed by their own stupidity trying to cross the street to get to you, or they are in the looney bin for being shit nuts in the first place :slight_smile:

Or that person with the pistol could correct the actions of misinformed voters

:smiley:

1 Remove Glock 19 from little cabinet in headboard

2 Grab cordless from cradle and dial 911.

3 Stand against side of big cabinet/headboard with only part of my face and gun arm showing, gun up, braced against cabinet, aimed at door. Most handgun rounds are not going to penetrate the several layers of solid oak that I am hiding behind.

4 wait for PD, if forementioned bad guy enters room I look
A: Bad guy has weapon in hand, BANG! BANG! BANG! no remorse.
B: Bad guy has no obvious weapon, scream, yell, otherwise tell him to get the #$%^ out of my house.
a) he runs, let him. I have insurance for pretty much anything he broke or stole.
b) he makes any other motion other than out of the room see A: above.

You might ask why not make noise right off to try and spook your would be burglar? Well hmm, might not be a burglar, if someone wishes me harm I would prefer to be hidden and or “entrenched” until I have no option but to reveal myself.
he cant hurt me if he cant find me.

If it takes him/her 2-3 minutes to find me thats another 2-3 minutes PD has to arrive. Every minute you give PD makes it exponentially more likely they will arrive and be able to capture formentioned trespasser.

Yep. Have to buy Brasso by the gallons just to keep 'em nice and shiny. 'Course, my lady friends deserve credit for all the elbow grease. . .

BY THE BY, LADIES AND GERMS:

I posed this question for one reason only. A few weeks back, I heard just this type of “weird” noise in my house. Actually, a series of creaking noises. Fortunately, it was just the hardwood floors shifting (I think), but it got me to wondering, big time. And I haven’t a gun in the house, unless you count a dusty pump-action air gun.

I am not a member of the NRA, I have no pro/anti-gun bias, and I posed the question cause I’m interested in what you would really do.

By the way, when the police respond and encounter your front door locked, is it their policy to break it open if no one responds and you have already placed a 911 call alerting them to an intruder in the house?

If your door is locked when the cops arrive, they will not immediately break it down unless it’s the Mayberry PD and Fife is running the show. They aren’t going to do anything large scale like that until they know what the situation is inside. Not a good idea to kick the door in if it’s turned into a hostage situation. Generally, get as much backup as required, surround the exit points, and try to get some info on what’s happening. Generally, if you call 911, you should stay on the phone until it becomes life threatening to do so. That way there is a contact with the outside who can give the cops the intelligence they need like where the intruder is, more than one, what are they wearing, etc…

I’m with you, buddy. If I’m home alone, take what you will and leave. If my family is home, I will kill, kill, kill. No guns in the house, but plenty of heavy blunt objects. By the time the police arrive there’ll be nothing left of the intruder but pulp.

While you surely didn’t intend your statement literally, if the intruder were between you and your children, it would be a very dangerous idea to fire a gun at him.

My compliments Country Squire.

Nicely worded question.

Usually by page 2 there are two firmly entrenched opinionated parties throwing dizzing amounts of printed word at each other.

drachillix wrote:

Of course, if the “noise” you make is the sound of the pump-action of your 12-gauge shotgun being cycled…

(I’m one of those types who believes that a shotgun is a better weapon for home defense than a handgun. They’re more intimidating to look at, they make a distinctive sound when you chamber a round, they’re more powerful than any handgun short of a .50 auto, and they fire a blast of several small pellets over an area instead of a single bullet – a definite advantage when you’re too nervous to take accurate aim.)