An SDMB test of astral projection

Well, that certaintly settles it for. For if I had an extensive masion, no doubt I’d be on the lookout for an internet crackpot who’d be willing “astrally project” into one of my many chambers. Of course, it might also accur to me to ask one of my many underlings to fetch me some research on the matter. Hell, I’d bet I wouldn’t have to go any higher than my butler, who, after slightly raising his left eyebrow in askance and muttering “you want me to what, Sir?” would go to one of the clean computer rooms, and with a few clicks, dismiss your misplaced hopes for this kind of ‘demonstration.’

'Will there be anything else, Sire? Might I suggest a cup of tea and a call to David Blaine for a private performance? The man even tidies up after himself, Sir"

Ah! The things I’d do with a mansion. For instance, I envision Jacuzzis in every room – but NO golds faucets or ethereal visitors coming through the walls. That whole “Ghost in The Golden Faucet Manor” thing seems so last century. I figure a man’s gotta learn to draw the eccentricity line somewhere…

Than again, what do I know? Back to my leaky tent it is. It does sleep two though…three in a pinch.

I am puzzled why you bother to post in this thread.

You start by calling me flaky, simply because I want to do a test.
Then presumably you’re trying for humour.
But one part of your post did strike me as worth bothering with.
You think you can refute a psychic claim by simply accessing the Internet for previous research?
Fascinating.
Do tell how you can prove anything doesn’t exist that way.

Want to run a test to find out why? First, you’ll need to paint three of the rooms in your mansion, hot pink, and post pictures after the fact so I can verify that you did – my astral projection powers are a bit dull for the moment. Further instructions to follow if you can withstand the suspense.

Well, it is pretty darn flaky to leave a room in your house (ooops! pardon me, mansion) collecting dust for a year in order to ‘test’ what some anonymous loopy dude on the internet claims he can do.

Apparently, your mother agrees with me.

Actually, I was going for heavy sarcasm, though I admit that Mark Twain, I am not. Good thing I wasn’t going for H.G Wells for I might well have made you run out of your mansion in panic.

:::blushes:::

I’m flattered. Never had a mansion owner interested in anything I had to say.

Actually, I don’t even bother with the Internet. Carl Sagan’s ‘Demon Haunted World’ is about all the reference I need to refute these quacks.

Sagan? Indeed.

As a firm believer in the Invisible Hot Pink Unicorn, must admit, you got me there.

TTFN.

Busy? Me? Naaaah. :wink: [/sarcasm mode]

Would it ease everybody’s concerns if I started posting updates on every minor event that even resembles the beginning of an alleged AP? Like last night, I was feeling light headed and drowsy, so I lay back and tried to project. (Seemed to be trying too hard.) I managed to get into a state where it felt like I was floating, almost rolling sideways, but too tense to relax and get that rising sensation. Then my @#$% cat barged in and meowed in my ear. :mad:

How about if I take the paranormal element out of my claim? I claim that I have at times gone into a state where I seem to be floating around the room. Maybe it is wrong to claim that it is actual AP, but rather to theorize that it is the same state others have (mistakenly?) thought to be AP. Hopefully this state can be tested to see if it really does enable the subject (i.e. me) to perceive remote objects/events. :slight_smile:

My compliments to glee for maintaining a true skepticism. I realize that most who actively post in GD are physicalist types, and I concede that such views probably are correct, but all too many seem to make it their religion. Kudos to the few who realize that not everybody with an unusual claim is dishonest. :dubious:

Remember, I never claimed I could control this ability; it’s not unusual for me to go a year or so without having such an experience (especially when I’m trying to); AP is said to be more likely when one is sick and I’m just getting over a cold in which nothing happened… so as much as I’d like to get a definitive answer, I cannot guarantee I’ll meet the deadline.

One month to go. Any progress?

:slight_smile:

Not much.

Shortly before I moved, I had an experience as I was laying awake quietly. I began to enter a state of having just a floating, and rolling or tumbling (side-to-side), sensation. It is very common for me to go into this state. At that point, being drowsy enough, I decided to attempt AP. I remembered that some of my experiences of the type sometimes attributed to AP began with a feeling of fear. So I tried my best to, well, quite literally scare myself. When that succeeded, I could feel a sort of expanding electrified sensation (common in reports of alleged AP) and there was a little bit of a pulsating blueness behind my eyelids (a common element throughout most of my alleged AP experiences). But I did not see anything in the sense of actually perceiving my surroundings. It didn’t seem like I was actually floating, just on the verge of doing so. Something seemed to be holding me back, and I noticed my heart rate was through the roof. I could have pressed further, but decided not to exhaust that much effort. So I did not attempt to go to England at that time.

During the move, I spent a night in a motel room. Sometime during the late night/early morning hours, in between periods of deep sleep, I found myself in a position to experience the “slipped out” sensation and did so. It felt like I was floating, face down, and there was nothing to see except blackness. At this time, even though I did not see anything, I decided to try to go to England. According to Dr. Monroe, trying to move oneself has no effect - motion must be willed via thoughts. I told myself repeatedly to go to glee’s house. To my surprise, I found I could outright talk, feeling my mouth move and my vocal cords glide effortlessly and silently, yet hearing nothing. I still saw nothing as well. So I cannot say that I didn’t make it over there, but I do not believe I made it and certainly did not see the desk or any of the objects on it.

At this point I would concede that based on these two events, there probably is no AP or else it isn’t what I’ve been experiencing, and the article SDStaff Doug wrote a ways back might be correct in its reverse-somnambulism explanation. Probably. As much as I would like to give it one more try and see it through to a faraway destination, I’m gonna be honest here it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen. Too much stuff going on and my circadian rhythm is all out of whack. But rest assured if another easy opportunity (such as the two above) does arise, I will attempt it unhesitatingly.

One thing I want to throw out in all fairness is something which might bias the results. Over the months I have gradually… shall I say accumulated… an impression of what one of the objects might be like. Granted it is only a hunch and is NOT the result of AP. My impression is that one of the objects is bright yellow, made of soft plastic or rubber, translucent, kind of an odd shape - don’t know if it’s an animal or some kind of alien or what - and it weighs about an ounce or less. Some kind of a toy, almost certainly. This is only a hunch.

Hey IWLN how you been? :slight_smile:

Hi Cityboy. It’s been a hard year. I had a near-death experience, but the only thing I remember from it is Jay Leno was doing a monologue about the priest that was ‘lurking’ in the hall. No tunnels or bright lights for me. Just Jay. Maybe it was Hell. :eek:

Glee, My daughter says theres a plastic Empire State Building, with a monkey on top, on your desk. It has the #12 on it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Well, everyone, the one year deadline is up, so I am posting here to concede. :o And on my 1500th post, too. It’s been a long year, and my, the things one can learn in that amount of time… like don’t accept challenges ya aren’t ready to face. :smack:

OMG, IWLN, glad you’re okay! If you ever need a sympathetic ear, you know where to find one. :wink: The Jay Leno thing reminds me of a joke though. A politician woke up from an operation to find the curtains were closed. “Why are the curtains closed,” he asked the nurse, “is it nighttime?” “No, there’s a fire across the street. We didn’t want you to wake up and think the operation was unsuccessful.” :smiley:

umop: At this point I would concede that based on these two events, there probably is no AP or else it isn’t what I’ve been experiencing, and the article SDStaff Doug wrote a ways back might be correct in its reverse-somnambulism explanation.

Hey umop, good on you for being open-minded and honest! I hope all the snarky skeptics who insinuated that you would just try to weasel out of facing up to a negative result will come back in to apologize. You certainly deserve it.

I’m with Kimstu. Umop, (can we call you that?) your concession goes to your credit. Very few people learn from such experiences; weaseling out of a bad result is a much more common outcome. I certainly admire you for submitting to the test and sticking it out to the bitter {shudder} end. :slight_smile:

Although it does seem like you had other things on your, uh, mind. :dubious: :rolleyes: :eek:

So, Glee, isn’t it time we got DavidB to reveal all the other guesses? I know we didn’t put a rigid time limit on others’ submissions, but shouldn’t we consider this test to have concluded?

Or maybe give everyone one last chance to respond, then close off all entries by Date X, empty the inbox, and tally 'em up?

Just don’t call me late for dinner. :slight_smile:

Have I ever! :eek: :smiley:

Well, thank you, Kimstu and Musicat for your kindness. :slight_smile:

Come on Glee. Give it up. We’re not getting any younger here. :slight_smile: Tell me I’m psychic.

  1. Rock paperweight.
  2. Buzz Lightyear action figure.
  3. Can of beans.
  4. glass dish
  5. small metal sculpture - from a war (this one)
  6. address book
  7. Pen in pen holder
  8. toothbrush
  9. box of envelopes
  10. mirror
  11. puzzle
  12. spoon

Thanks Cityboy. Hey, at least you guessed what was on top of my computer. :stuck_out_tongue: