Anakin and Luke

Well, it wasn’t exactly a secret that Luke was the son of Anakin Skywalker, a Jedi Knight killed in the Clone Wars. Hell, Luke made no secret of admiring his father. Also, the fact that he was raised by the Lars family might tip off Anakin.

Anakin is the young version of Darth Vader???

Based on the action in AOTC, I assumed he grew up to be Hand Solo! :wink: :wink: :wink:

HAN Solo. “Hand Solo” sounds like a bad euphemism for masturbation. Or maybe that’s what you meant?

All together now, “WHOOOOSH!!!

(Think about it for a sec, Athena, what happens to Anakin in AOTC? [Or if you haven’t seen that, what do we discover Luke and Vader have in common in ROTJ besides genetics?])

What if Vader is so consumed by the “Dark Side” that he loses most of his memories of even being human, of being Anikin Skywalker. Say after Episode III that for many years, until the events of ANH, he simply didn’t remember who he used to be or that he had a son, etc. Or that the Emperor clouded his mind, being his Sith Master.

The God’s honest truth is, as I have heard it, most of the familial ties were decided well into the productin of TESB. When ANH was made, Lucas had no intention of Luke being Vader’s son, and in the first drft or two of the script for TESB, Luke’s late father was a separate character from Vader. But when it was decided that they were father and son, poor old Alec Guinness had to come back in ROTJ and give the lamest excuses – the “from a certain poit of view” nonsense.

Sir Rhosis

I haven’t read many of the Star Wars novels, apart from movie novelizations, but I’m pretty conversant with the movies. Lucas is pretty close-mouthed about his movie secrets so I doubt that many of the extracurricular authors know much about his secret future plans.

The novelization of Star Wars carries Lucas’ name but was ghost-written by Alan Dean Foster. Anything you read in it is suspect. Foster also wrote “Splinter of the Mind’s Eye” which details Luke’s and Leia’s burgeoning relationship as Luke battles Vader again on some distant world nobody cares about. This story was entirely from Foster’s imagination, invented to make a quick buck on the Star Wars lunacy, and Lucas has always hated it. Why? Perhaps the Luke-Leia relationship which Lucas knew was verboten.

One of the Star Wars novelizations (can’t remember which movie) tells of Vader’s memories of an agonizing crawl out of a lake of fire following a duel with Obi-Wan. I can’t remember which book this was from, but this may be where the rumored battle was first announced. I read this as a pool of lava, a volcano, or something else. It’s not terribly clear what, exactly, he falls into.

I am of the opinion that Anakin leaves Amidala/Padma knowing she is pregnant, but not knowing she bears twins. At some point–a dying moment?–he tells Obi-Wan to give the lightsaber to his son, and Obi-Wan later will tell Luke, “Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough.” Is Obi-Wan telling the truth? Or is he just telling Luke another lie that will motivate him in the right direction?

Luke only knows the old wizard as “Ben Kenobi,” and calls him so. Leia’s message via R2-D2 ends with, “Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi,” so she clearly knows him by this name. However, Luke rescues her from her cell by announcing, “I’m here with Ben Kenobi,” Leia appears to recognize this name as well. Theory: Kenobi drops Leia off at Alderaan, gives Bail Organa his new name and forwarding address, and takes Luke back to Tatooine. So long as Luke plans to apply to the Imperial Academy, Vader has no need to interfere, presuming he knows of Luke at all.

Obi-Wan says something that contradicts all of this in Ep 6: “Anakin knew if he had any offspring they would be a threat to him. So, to keep you both safe, you were hidden from him when you were born.” Therefore Vader should not have known Amidala/Padme was pregnant, or willed his lightsaber to Luke.

Did Anakin come back and find out that Padme was “dead?” Did he return to her, only to be told that she had lost the baby? Of the two, the first seems more like a Star Wars family-ready plot, and Obi-Wan has never been afraid of keeping secrets and playing fast and loose with the truth.

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The God’s honest truth is, as I have heard it, most of the familial ties were decided well into the productin of TESB. When ANH was made, Lucas had no intention of Luke being Vader’s son, and in the first drft or two of the script for TESB, Luke’s late father was a separate character from Vader. But when it was decided that they were father and son, poor old Alec Guinness had to come back in ROTJ and give the lamest excuses – the “from a certain poit of view” nonsense.

Do you remember where you heard this? I’d like to read the behind the scenes details myself.

Oops. I forgot to quote Sir Rhosis on my last post.
Sorry. I’m new here:)

But then, Uncle Owen wasn’t letting him… so maybe he wasn’t an ass, and was just protecting him?

From what I remember, in ANH Anakin was a “navigator on a spice freighter”.

pulehoop,

I recall reading this in an interview with Lawrence Kasdan, as well as hearing it from secondhand sources (a review of one of the films, if memory seves), but alas cannot give a direct cite.

Here is a link to a story quoting a “knowledgeable” SW fanatic.

http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/743750.asp

Also, little things here and there have long lead me to suspect that Lucas did not have the saga as mapped out as some people think. As I mentioned before, the ludicrous verbal hoops the ghost of Obi-Wan jumped through in ROTJ, plus the fact that Lucas, in his own screenplay for ANH, writes that Luke is 19, and that Leia is 16. Hardly twins, though I guess that doesn’t mean he couldn’t still have intended for them to be brother and sister and children of Vader, but I just doubt it.

If I stumble upon a more authoritative citation, I’ll post it.

Sir Rhosis

Thank you, Sir Rhosis.

Given that Lucas is flying by the seat of his pants and he’s shown a remarkable ability to ignore inconsistancies, here’s how I see Episode III going down in a way that more-or-less fits (bear with me, my geek hat is firmly ON):

I don’t remember it being firmly established ANYWHERE that Luke and Leia were actual twins. If you put that aside for a moment, I can picture Anakin not sliding into complete evil until after Luke is born and Amidala is impregnanted with Leia. Anakin and Obi-Wan have a big climactic battle in which Anakin is so mangled that he must be fitted with a respirator and artificial limbs (which also have the effect of making him ten inches taller). Obi-Wan takes the young Luke to Tatooine and stashes him with Owen and Beru. Amidala gives birth to Leia and then dies. Bail Organa (played by Jimmy Smits) adopts Leia with Yoda’s approval. Yoda then splits for his own home planet, Degobah. Obi-Wan has resolved to keep an eye on Lke, but doesn’t know about Leia (hence the “there is another” conversation between Yoda and Obi-Wan’s ghost in ESB). With the growing power of the Empire, Obi-Wan eventually loses hope until the events in ANH (get it?) turn him from a doddering old coot back into a kick-ass Jedi Master.

Anakin/Vader knows about Luke (but not Leia), but doesn’t really care (in addition to being a Dark Lord of the Sith, he’s also a deadbeat dad - go figure). After Luke’s destruction of the Death Star, Vader is intriugued by him (“the force is strong with this one”) and learning his name and realizing their relationship (I assume Luke made at least page 3 of the Imperial Enquirer), plans to lure him to Bespin by torturing Han. This leads to the disarming “I am your father” speech and everything else that follows, including Vader learning of his connection to Leia in ROTJ.

Actually, I’m hoping Amidala will go DarkSide with Anakin, mostly because I’d like to see HER in tight black leather. Yowsa!

Two holes in your theory Bryan-

Darth in ROTJ:" …So, you have twin sister. Obi-wan was wise to hide her from me…"

So it is established that Luke and Leia are twins, and that Obi-wan knew about Leia.

Luke as a Page 3 girl? Blech.

Yes, but Vader got that information from Luke’s mind. It’s possible that in addition to being a Dark Lord of the Sith and a deadbeat dad, he’s also a lousy guesser. It’s possible Luke assumed Leia was his twin and that Obi-Wan knew about her all along, and Vader just picked up on these sincerely believed but factually wrong ideas.

Of course, any solution Lucas thinks up will be inconsistant with something, and odds are he won’t much care.

Not true. Lucas asked Foster to write a second novel “From The Adventures of Luke Skywalker” using some locations and sets that could be reused from the first Star Wars, in case the movie tanked but he could still make a cheap sequel. Obviously that turned out to be unnecessary, but the book still was given full approval to be written, even if it is now a little contradictory.

Ironically, in the climax of Splinter:

Vader gets his right arm cut off. Seriously.