Bah,
I’d hate on em even if they were raging hippy atheists that just thought having nearly two dozen kids of their own was a good and noble thing to do. For me, the fundie aspect is almost irrelevant (besides causing this I guess).
Perhaps hate is too strong a word, but I certainly think less than nice thoughts about em every time I hear about em.
Eh.
I think they completely suck as parents. She doesn’t raise her children. Her daughters raise her children. An adolescent should enjoy life and focus on her school work. A thirteen year old should not have to act as surrogate parent to her younger siblings because mommy’s too busy playing for the cameras and preparing for the birth of yet another baby.
And if they don’t want people hating them they should stop whoring themselves out for media attention and large houses.
Whoa. She does not play for the cameras (they tried to have her sit down to answer viewer questions and she kept getting up to check on the baby). They did whore themselves out for the house; they were already building it when the show started.
Of course I meant to say they** didn’t **whore themselves out.
Did she or did she not agree to whore her entire family out to TLC?
I don’t think much of them apparently not encouraging their kids to go to college. Especially the older girls. They shouldn’t be brainwashed into staying at home until Dad arranges a marriage for them. Which of course he won’t be eager to do any time soon, and give up his wife’s free childcare setup. It really stinks for those girls, who used to say they wanted to be nurses & midwives, to be still stuck at home at 19 & 20 not getting to pursue their goals.
That being said, they do appear to be a pretty happy & wholesome crew. Whatever floats their boat, I guess.
I don’t really care how many kids they have, as long as they support them and take care of them. One family with lots of kids won’t upset the balance, really. What does bother me is that, with all their talk about having all the babies God chooses to give them, from what she says she deliberately circumvents the natural spacing that God designed. I know that breastfeeding doesn’t guarantee anything, but Mrs. Duggar stops nursing at six months for pretty much the sole reason that she wants her fertility back. So how much are they really trusting God to plan their family, and how much are they foiling his plan?
That said, I hope this latest little one turns out all right. Poor little mite.
I think they’re less whorish than Jon and Kate Plus 8. Certainly the Duggars seem to have a more stable marriage and lifestyle.
I know their oldest son just got married. How old is Michelle now? At the very least, not only premature babies, she runs the risk of having a baby with Down Syndrome.
So they continue to have sex sans contraception and surgery, and God’s will is what regulates things? Is she planning on just running out of eggs?
It seems to me that pregnancies later in life, are much more prone to birth defects. Knowingly risking that, and whatever comes from almost dozens of births, seems really irresponsible to me. Just because Daddy wants to get laid, does not mean that kids with potentially huge struggles ahead of them need to be created in the first place.
“Go forth and multiply” probably meant a different thing back when life expectancies and infant mortality rates were much different than they are now. Interesting how God decides how many kids they should end up with, and that the only way of finding out is having sex until babies stop coming out alive. I could look up whether or not Michelle has miscarried before, but it’s irrelevant. Plenty of people have had miscarriages (mostly women for some reason) and had healthy kids after that. Surely a miscarriage wouldn’t stop the filling of a perfectly good quiver. I suppose at some point pregnancies just stop happening after a certain age, egg count, whatever.
I know that the Catholic Church is anti-condom, but what is there take on hysterectomies and vasectomies? I know the Duggars aren’t Catholic, I’m just asking.
Maybe the Duggars get more media attention because they’re fundies, or just really weird, but I think the same “stop having babies” idea should apply to anyone that is rapidly approaching a dangerous age to have kids, or any other sort of potential risk for a premature, or afflicted baby.
Are there people out there that are so Pro-Life and so Anti-Contraception that they would continue to have babies even if they were practically guaranteed to have some sort of defect, disorder, or other severe impediment to a happy life? I’m not saying that the Duggars are there yet, just asking in general.
They should have the Duggars vs. Jon+Kate+ the Octomom in a cage fight. They may use their children as clubs or thrown weapons.
The RCC opposes any form of birth control other than the ‘rhythm method’.
Surgeries are right out.
As I should have done earlier, I just read the Wikipedia page and found:
I’m guessing she was on the pill? What else might, in someones mind, cause a miscarriage? Certainly not a condom, because that would be silly.
So, the Duggars are former users of birth control. These are people practically trying to break a record for number of offspring, well not trying, waiting to see if God wants it to be so.
I’m going to stop now. Religion is clearly a part of this situation, but it’s not the focus of it.
Wow, odd that the more subtle means of contraception are forbidden. The “Rhythm method” (great drum solo BTW) is synonymous with the “Money shot” in most porno movies, and it’s sanctioned by the RCC.
Am I right in understanding that the Pope is ok with shooting a load all over someone, but getting snipped or using a condom is way against the rules? That blows my mind.
It’s not the “Rhythm method” but natural family planning which uses a variety of methods to detemine fertility, including basal body temp, and cervical mucous.
Artificial methods of BC are proscribed, but NFP is encouraged because the Church does recognize the benefits of child spacing.
Note that while I am not Catholic, I used to be.
Yeah, dnooman, you have confused the rhythm method with coitus interruptus, aka “pulling out early.” The old-school rhythm method was pretty basic. You said, OK, a woman’s cycle is 28 days long. Therefore if you avoid having sex on days 10-17 (or whatever; I don’t know what the actual count was) you will avoid pregnancy. This was about as effective as it sounds. The new-school “Natural Family Planning” method is much more effective and involves taking your basal body temperature every morning and checking your cervical fluid daily.
What I don’t really understand is how NFP, which is actually a pretty decent form of birth control, is not subverting God’s plan, but using condoms or the birth control pill is. Whatever. To each their own, I guess.
To be fair though, they got quite different education – I saw an episode of their show where the family went to El Salvador, and worked with a mission, and learned a lot about the local customs and culture. Whatever you think about their ways, I would imagine that they’re getting good exposure to the rest of the world that way. Let’s hope it has an impact on them.
dnooman – a hysterectomy (removal of the entire uterus) isn’t usually done as a method of birth control, but for medical necessity. Are you sure you’re not thinking of getting one’s tubes tied?
(I’m guessing since a hysterectomy is usually done for legitimate medical reasons, I doubt the Church would be against it)
I think the reason NFP is ok with the Catholics is they believe the purpose of sex is for procreation, and that circumventing conception via artificial methods is the sin. But, if you don’t want to have children, it’s perfectly all right not to have sex. NFP is basically scheduling sex, so it slips through the loophole.
I believe the quiverfulls reject even NFP as interfering with God’s plan. Though, I don’t think they’re opposed to breastfeeding and the natural ovulation stoppage that it causes. As far as I know, Michelle Duggar doesn’t deliberately stop breastfeeding to return to fertility. She was still nursing the last baby when she got pregnant with this one, and said she can often tell she’s pregnant when her milk changes. Breastfeeding does not always stop ovulation, and it may depend on the woman. My great-great-grandmother had 10 babies in 10 years (and then died). Dirt poor 19th century farmers that they were, she had to have been breastfeeding.
I have to admit that I am a bit shocked by the inaccuracy of my statements here, as I believed them to be true.
Mom said she was going to have her “tubes tied” and called it a hysterectomy when she spoke about it. I was in 5th grade, and wasn’t in any position to question that term.
As far as “The rhythm method” goes, I was incorrectly informed, but I can see where “coitus interruptus” may have been mistaken for it.
But having sex on a certain day, has nothing to do with what we recognize today as rhythm. A pattern it may be, but that’s scheduling. “Coitus interuptus” has everything to do with rhythm in a practical sense. If you miss that beat, mission failed.
I’m both surprised and pleased to have been corrected here. Slightly less ignorance is out there.
So, IS the RCC okay with pull out method? I’ve never known. If not…why not?
No; coitus interruptus is considered a form of the sin of Onan, and is therefore prohibited.
Yeah, I have brain cells devoted to this crap, but I frequently call my children by the wrong names. Sigh.