And exactly how hard is it to be a teenager today?

I don’t think there is a fair way to compare perceived hardship. It sure sounds like feeling there was an immanent threat of nuclear war would be terrible, but I don’t think I can really imagine what it is like.

I don’t think kids today really have it any easier at all. They are now expected to understand issues we simultaneously refuse to acknowledge they should know anything about (sex), we expect them to make “informed” choices on issues where “informed” means “have known the effects of for years” (drugs), we want them to have a fear of their own mortality while we try and pamper them and make them safe (general, though the whatabouthtechildren schtick seems more popular nowadays), and of course we want them to think for themselves amidst all the advertising that gets targeted at them while they are still, in fact, learning to think for themselves.

Taken in isolation, this isn’t easy or fair. Easier or more fair than previous generations? I don’t know. When I was younger I either didn’t care about anything, or cared only about very specific things to the exclusion of everything else. Like, pretty much, everyone else I knew. I thought that was the quintessential experience growing up. If so, then they have it just as hard as we did, only with more toys in their downtime.

Monica, I think, has hit some of how it’s easier in some ways today to be a teenager. Consider the many centuries in which the vast majority of people were completely illiterate and essentially had no other choice than to continue in the serfdom (or whatever local version of land-bound peasantry prevailed in whatever area you choose to consider) that their parents were born into. Now today in the US and many other countries there is compulsory education which itself makes for more opportunities.

Squish also made an apt remark about peer pressure. Had I bowed to peer pressure when I was in high school, I would not have worked as a janitor during Summer Vacation nor on weekends and consequently would not have had the maturing experiences of gainful employment and interaction with supervisors, coworkers, and customers. All of that helped me later in my life. And there was money of course. Being a janitor paid better than the jobs many of my friends took because “Hey, it’s better than being a janitor!” If anyone’s interested, I’ll relate the joke about the three monkeys. (Actually, I think you might find it using this site’s search engine–I’ve posted it before.)

Nor did I miss Squish’s comment about support for teenagers. There’s support, a lot of it at taxpayer expense, for not only teenagers but for many people in need. Let’s not forget the Public Defender’s Office for those who can’t afford legal representation. In the past, you were on your own if you couldn’t afford a lawyer. Then there are: suicide hotlines, peer counselling of many sorts, mental health assistance, financial counselling, free clinics…heck, the list can go on forever.

No, in my opinion, the teen may think that life’s unfair and the world’s out to get the teen, but in reality the world is doing very much to help the teen. In other words: it’s easier than it used to be.

Man, I was all set to submit my reply, till I hit erislover’s post. I think he may have hit one legitimate problem area. The fact that in some respects, kids lose their “innocence” early on. This may not hold up to inspection, tho. Sure, today’s kid sees violence and death on TV, whereas yesterday’s kid would see his infant sibling die from what is today trivial and treatable. I am not sure how to compare such things as kids’ exposure to sex, and little kids being allowed/pressured to act older than they are too quickly instead of being able to enjoy being kids. I think it is “easier” for a prepubescent girl to deal with dressing like a Britt-slut, than to work 12-hr days in a factory. It sure is easier to find porn on the internet, than it was to sneak Playboys out of the barbershop! :wink:

Now to my initial reaction. I think it is undeniable that in any cross-section of society as well as worldwide, household wealth and individual leisure is higher today than ever before. Tho exceptions exist, restrictions on child labor are widespread. Health care improvements certainly make for an “easier” life. I sense there is a universal access to higher levels of education across all cultures. Tho I have no factual support, I assume there is less slavery worldwide, and I hope a lower percentage of world’s pop of all ages is living through war.

I can imagine there are somewhat fewer opportunities for entering and succeeding in various careers - at least without substantial training/education. But opportunities exist that were inconceivable in prior generations, from computers and technology, to pet psychology.

Bottomline - teens have it easier today. As do folk in all other age groups!

I think it’s difficult to compare tests from today with, say 80 years ago, because what is taught is now much different. Yes, they may have required to you to know Latin, and know how to bisect an angle with a straight-edge and compass, and today you don’t. However, they also left out a lot of things that most students learn today, like world history, more advanced sciences, economics, and such. Different priorities for different ages.

That being said, I think there has been a very recent attempt to dumb down the curriculum in order to give the superficial appearance of improvement without having to actually improve, as well as increasing the all-important self-esteem of the children. Grade inflation at universities is well-documented, and is starting to seep into lower education. Teachers are sometimes afraid to flunk students, because it can get the sued. They keep rewriting and recalibrating the SAT to raise the scores of the lower-end kids, while minimizing differences in the high-end. However, that’s my opinion as an outsider (albeit one who’s done his homeowrk, so to speak), as I haven’t been in the public school system for a good decade.

With regards to the OP, I think kids probably have it about the same. As has been mentioned, some things are easier, some things are harder. Kids, taken as a whole, will probably always think they have it harder, because they have no basis for comparison. They’re changing, and it’s tough, and people like to think that their situation is unique, and that nobody could possibly understand what they’re going through, and man, when they get older, things’ll be so much easier. Then they grow up, and realize things don’t get easier, they just become different, and more complicated, and they begin telling the next generation of kids that they’re a bunch of whiny babies, and they have it so easy compared to how things used to be, to which the kids reply, “You just don’t understand what it’s like to be a kid”, and the cycle continues.

So I guess my message to the kids is: “Stop whining, and enjoy youth while you can”; and to the adults: “Cut the kids some slack, they’re going through a rough time.”

And of course the above is based on thorough anecdotal evidence, so it follows that I’m an expert on the matter. :smiley:

Jeff

Dinsdale… I would imagine that perceiving hardhsip is a function of what you encounter as normal. If I live on ants and sleep in mud every day, it won’t seem particularly hard to me: its all I know. Especially as a teen: very cocksure already, yet not experienced enough to have a perspective like we might.

If anything, large public schools and television have lent a perspective to kids earlier to see that they have it harder/easier compared to others. So maybe they’ll even feel it is easier than it used to be. I don’t know. Factually, I think life is about as hard as anyone can stand. just because the ancient greeks might think we’re living in a magical paradise doesn’t mean I feel that way; ie- I still philosophize, and life sucks, and so on.

Well, it is always the case that we tend to look to our own culture with some rosy spectacles. Kids had to do work, but for all that (barring the stint of serious child labor) I would imagine that kids were kids, they played kick the can or threw rocks at bottles or went swimming and generally just absorbed themselves in experience like kids do. It is ony when we present them with a difference that they can grasp a notion of hardship that they might be undergoing, I think.

Adults look to the happiness of youth and think they’ve got it so easy, why, when I was a kid…etc… uphill both ways. I mean, like kids never had fun before now? I think we tend to mix up the notion that we have it hard now as adults compared to kids, rather than to actually recall whether we felt it was hard or not.

I mean, when you are sick it is seemingly impossible to remember what it was like to feel not-sick. You just know it sucks. I think we tend to forget that though we can judge our own perceptions as mapping to certain ideas, that it is really very hard to imagine feelings that we have had. I cannot feel what it is like to be sick when I am well, tired when I am awake, or happy when I’m sad. Likewise, though I remember facts about when I was a child, how I felt about existence then often eludes me. Thankfully I kept a poetry journal full of teen angst and comments on love and sex and so on to remind me, though even still it slips away. I cannot recall what it was like to have sex for the first time, I only remember that it was an incredible feeling like, I don’t think, anything I’ve had since.

And a factual account of difficutly doesn’t interest me, how one perceives their state does. I would say today’s kids have it easier if they are happier in some way. And I don’t think that can really be said. I think that, barring things like abuse and hunger, kids are pretty much kids.

If it is a question of physical hardship then the answer is sort of obvious: easier today in the general case. If it is a case of mental hardship (what we expect them to know and understand) then I am not sure, though today is probably harder. If it is a case of feelings: the same in the general case, I think.

When I was a boy, the Doomsday Clock was at 7 minutes to midnight. Kids nowadays got a whole 14 minutes!

They’d have even more if it weren’t for them dang Indians and Pakis!!!

Whoa, I will admit I don’t know what a Doomsday Clock is, or what it does, but could you clear up the whole Indians and Pakis thing? Just explain it, so I don’t have to take it as a racial slur. Being half Indian and all…:rolleyes:

You know, the whole two fighting countries with nuclear capability there?

“Paki” = very offensive racial slur in most countries other than the US. Just ask George Bush.

Incidentally, the Doomsday Clock currently stands at seven minutes to midnight.

Cite!

Teens today have it better than in my time, because of the various online communities like this one. If nobody at your school likes you, it’s easy to find folks who will treat you as a friend even if they’re halfway around the world. Back in the early eighties, I had no such options.

SmackFu: gotcha ya. Didn’t know that.

In my opinion, circumstances are, to a certain extent, irrelevant to the hardship of a teenager’s life.

I think someone mentioned this already, but the main problem teens deal with is, simply, growing up. We have to do it no matter what decade we’re born in. And if I don’t need to deal with infant siblings dying, but to me failing a math test is just about the pinnacle of misery, I still feel those intense emotions.

Traumatic events will be created if there is a lack of significant ones. In many cases, stress is created internally, not externally.