And now: What about all those cops turning their backs on De Blasio?

[DingoelGringo]

@Doctor_Why_Bother

Agreed. These fuckers need reminding who’s boss.

By definition they are public servants, right?

[Steophan]

@Smapti

So at what point can we fire the cops that refuse to do their job and find some that will?

Because this is increasingly unacceptable behavior on behalf of the department. This is stuff you expect to see in a banana republic, not a First World nation with a well-defined rule of law.

At minimum, when the behaviour gets beyond the point where they can claim it’s necessary for safety.

[Bone]

@Smapti

So at what point can we fire the cops that refuse to do their job and find some that will?

Because this is increasingly unacceptable behavior on behalf of the department. This is stuff you expect to see in a banana republic, not a First World nation with a well-defined rule of law.

You seem to be a fan of authority so the answer should be obvious. When the powers at be go through the prescribed disciplinary steps as mandated by their union. Seeing as no actual disciplinary steps have been taken and even above the commissioner does not even threaten discipline - I think it’s safe to say that this is not unacceptable behavior that rises to the level of official discipline.

How do you reconcile your worship of authority with the idea that you’re not happy with how the authority figures are handling the situation?

[Smapti]

@Bone

How do you reconcile your worship of authority with the idea that you’re not happy with how the authority figures are handling the situation?

The department has failed in its duty to the city and its people and it has lost my respect.

[levdrakon]

In the news today cops are saluting the mayor again.

[Steophan]

@Smapti

The department has failed in its duty to the city and its people and it has lost my respect.

I’m sure they’ll be devastated to learn that.

[Bone]

@Smapti

The department has failed in its duty to the city and its people and it has lost my respect.

Oh, non-sequiturs. Is that what we’re doing now? OK uh - I like bacon.

[BobLibDem]

Holy fuck can we put the recreational grief over these two cops to bed yet? Sure, it sucks that they got killed. But Jesus titty-fucking Christ does every police department in the fucking world need to send recreational grievers? Do we need to paint them as the second coming of Christ Himself? From all accounts there were a couple of decent guys who died too soon. This tragedy plays itself out thousands of times every day.

[Smapti]

@BobLibDem

Holy fuck can we put the recreational grief over these two cops to bed yet? Sure, it sucks that they got killed. But Jesus titty-fucking Christ does every police department in the fucking world need to send recreational grievers? Do we need to paint them as the second coming of Christ Himself? From all accounts there were a couple of decent guys who died too soon. This tragedy plays itself out thousands of times every day.

Sounds good to me. After all, nobody’s publicly mourning Michael Brown or Eric Garner anymore, right?

[Smapti]

Breaking news: they’ve done it again at Liu’s funeral.

[John_Mace]

@Smapti

Sounds good to me. After all, nobody’s publicly mourning Michael Brown or Eric Garner anymore, right?

No, they aren’t. They’re protesting against institutional racism. MB and EG may be symbols of that, but their deaths, per se, are not being continually mourned.

However, if you’d like to organize some protests against “crazy people”, that would be comparable.

[elucidator]

As well as sublimely ironic.

[Loach]

@levdrakon

In the news today cops are saluting the mayor again.

The mayor never gets saluted. He is not a ranking member of the police department. The commissioner was saluted by the honor guard as required. The mayor was with him.

[Octarine]

@Smapti

Breaking news: they’ve done it again at Liu’s funeral.

Argh. At least it wasn’t all of them. Must have been a tad awkward for those who faced forward and had to make eye contact with the people facing backwards - “so, er, nice weather we’re having, huh?”

[BOOM]

@Senegoid

Getting back to the original topic of this thread . . .

News Item:
Commissioner Bratton agrees that it was disrespectful at the very least for all those cops to turn their backs, and advises not to do it again.

NYPD commissioner warns officers not to make political statements at wake, Associated Press, Jan. 3, 2015 (as re-published on Fox News, but you can find the same or similar articles in many other places).

It looks immature if not childish.

This is what mature men do?

Bizarre behaviour from adults.

[septimus]

The cops’ behavior, desecrating funerals of their own dead, was obviously repugnant. This thread allows good insight into the Board’s right-wingers.

Most of the Board is intelligent, with intelligent views:

@Budget_Player_Cadet

I think the outrage here is entirely justified. These cops did something phenomenally stupid and disgraceful, something that hurts them and everyone else.

@TriPolar

They were totally wrong to do this in uniform. They’re proving the point of the protesters, they’re biased. I don’t blame most of them, I blame their leadership in the PBA and others who want to widen the rift between the public and the police.

If they want to take off their uniforms and protest on their own time that’s fine with me even if I disagree with them.

@BobLibDem

Police have the same rights of freedom of speech as the rest of us. However, when they put that uniform on, they are perceived as officials of the city. For them to diss the mayor by this childish stunt makes them look like petulant twits, which is true enough.

Now Ghouliani is saying that the mayor should apologize to NYPD. Nice to see that the guy who shamelessly exploited the death of 3000 people in his city is weighing in, and I hope the mayor gives Mr. 9/11’s suggestion all the consideration that it deserves.

But the thread is dominated by cretins:

@Clothahump

That is the problem, in a nutshell. The cops think the mayor has thrown the department under the bus.

Oh, but we’re more interested in what you think, Clothy.

@Clothahump

It was his comment about having to train his kid: “we’ve had to literally train him, as families have all over this city for decades, in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him.”

His kid is black and the comment indicates that he thinks NYPD is more likely to do harm to his kid than to help him.

It was a shameful, ignorant thing to say and I think he should resign his office immediately if not sooner.

Ooh, maybe not so interested. But, BTW, were you one of the same dolts arguing that black kids DO need to be trained not to antagonize cops?

@Lord_Feldon

Was it actually insubordination? Were they actually told they had to face the mayor as he walked past?

@John_Mace

How is it insubordination?

John Mace has the reputation of right-winger smart enough not to vote for the lunatics and hypocrites. But, at heart, he’s still a stupid right-winger. Perhaps Lord Feldon is his fellow-traveler.

@Bruce_Wayne

Regardless if you call it mutiny or a “work action”, it doesn’t reflect well on the mayor to lose the support of law enforcement.

Is this ‘Blame the Victim’? Or just ‘Blame anyone other than the Police’?

There does seem to be a contest going; who can be the stupidest right-wing asshole? Perhaps we need a Poll. Are polls allowed in BBQ Pit?

Contestants include:

@doorhinge

What’s next, genuflecting when they see De Blasio’s fedora on a pole in Time Square?

@Shodan

AFAICT not unless they resist arrest.

Regards,
Shodan

Seems you’ve already forgotten my pro-tip to you: It’s ineffective for the stupid to try to satirize stupid thought.

@magellan01

[QUOTE=doorhinge]
[doorhinge wins the thread for repugnance – Let’s ignore doorhinge’s remarks, except …] … Were you born an asshole or do you suffer from some medical condition that makes you sound like an asshole?

Well said.
[/QUOTE]

Thank you, magellan01. You’re so predictable.

[doorhinge]

nm

[doorhinge]

@septimus

The cops’ behavior, desecrating funerals of their own dead, was obviously repugnant. This thread allows good insight into the Board’s right-wingers.

Most of the Board is intelligent, with intelligent views:
But the thread is dominated by cretins:
Oh, but we’re more interested in what you think, Clothy.
Ooh, maybe not so interested. But, BTW, were you one of the same dolts arguing that black kids DO need to be trained not to antagonize cops?
John Mace has the reputation of right-winger smart enough not to vote for the lunatics and hypocrites. But, at heart, he’s still a stupid right-winger. Perhaps Lord Feldon is his fellow-traveler.

Is this ‘Blame the Victim’? Or just ‘Blame anyone other than the Police’?

There does seem to be a contest going; who can be the stupidest right-wing asshole? Perhaps we need a Poll. Are polls allowed in BBQ Pit?

Contestants include:

Seems you’ve already forgotten my pro-tip to you: It’s ineffective for the stupid to try to satirize stupid thought.

Thank you, magellan01. You’re so predictable.

Hahahaha. It appears that your only point is to object to anyone having an opposing viewpoint. On a public forum. hehehehe. Good luck with that. :smack:

You need to start a septimus blog where you can actually forbid anyone from disagreeing with you. :rolleyes:

[doorhinge]

@BOOM

It looks immature if not childish.

This is what mature men do?

Bizarre behaviour from adults.

Not nearly as mature as the protesters daily threats against the lives of police officers and their families. Or as mature as the arsonists, looters, assassins of police officers, and protesters who beat and kick police officers for attempting to arrest criminals.

Truly bizarre behavior from adults.

[doorhinge]

@BobLibDem

Holy fuck can we put the recreational grief over these two cops to bed yet? Sure, it sucks that they got killed. But Jesus titty-fucking Christ does every police department in the fucking world need to send recreational grievers? Do we need to paint them as the second coming of Christ Himself? From all accounts there were a couple of decent guys who died too soon. This tragedy plays itself out thousands of times every day.

No, this can’t be put to bed yet.

The actions of the mobs of angry, professional, protesters keep these officers in the forefront of the minds of most people who are interested in these stories.