Keep up the distraction.
After all, you’re not a dirty fucking hippie, so it’s perfectly copasetic for the police to intimidate and harass those DFH’s. They are “other”. They are “different”.
So you’re OK. The authorities won’t ever use these tactics on you… right?
85 were officially killed on the Night of The Long Knives. possibly up to 200. That is not many out of such a large organisation. Certainly not “a lot of them”.
Uness you were one of the ones murdered I guess.
You can pretend I’m authorizing Gestapo tactics if you want to you dirty fucking hippie lover 
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The statement I was responding to was the one that was referenced.
… and I’ll stop distracting when the MSM stops distracting the public from the degree in which the Occupiers are doing things that don’t make them look like the good protestors they want them to be.
Just once, and you’d never go back to chickens.
So to summarize so far:
The OP of thread pointed out a case where some members of the police, who used the pretext of an old outstanding minor ticket to break down the door of some dirty smelly hippies to investigate the horrible crime of an outstanding ticket for an open container violation. It took 6 NHPD officers to do this. Was this to hassle and intimidate the DFH’s? One would think this is the only reasonable explanation.
Respondents to this thread can be broken down into:
You exaggerated and used the word Gestapo. The NYPD are not the Gestapo. Therefore they did nothing wrong.
The NYPD did nothing illegal. They could not be prosecuted for what they did. As long as they can cover themselves with a legal pretext, they’re OK, no matter how much personnel or force they use for a minor infraction. Therefore they did nothing wrong.
Some Occupy Wallstreet protesters did some bad things in the past. Therefore the NYPD were justified in breaking into this apartment to check about an unpaid ticket. (presumably they were trying to prevent the DFH’s from committing rape at a future protest? The argument gets very unclear at this point) Therefore the NYPD officers did nothing wrong.
Other protests produced very little litter or poop. Therefore the NYPD officers did nothing wrong.
The mainstream media is distracting us, and making the Occupy protestors look good, when in fact they are bad. Therefore the NYPD officers did nothing wrong.
Depends on your definitions.
About 3000 people were killed on 9/11. Compared to the population of the US that is a drop in the bucket. I would still say a lot of people died that day.
You are confusing premise and conclusion. The NYPD did nothing wrong, therefore they are not the Gestapo.
This part is pretty close to correct. As long as the police abide by the law, they’re OK.
This is a little further from sensible than it should be, but not too bad. But yes, as long as they don’t break the law, the NYPD is certainly justified in investigating possible future acts of rioting, rape, arson, etc. Keep in mind that they are not allowed to break the law or violate anyone’s rights in doing so. Since they didn’t break the law or violate anyone’s rights, then most sensible people would agree that the NYPD is justified.
This is a non sequitur. Obviously some protests are peaceful and unobjectionable, while the Occupy rioting is not. But as long as the NYPD does not break any laws, they are justified in investigating.
Well, Occupy are idiots and losers, whose goals are meaningless rhetoric and whose means are either worthless or counter-productive, but that is not the problem (from your point of view). Your problem is that lefties on the SDMB are raving hysterics. So when they scream “Gestapo!” when the police act legally in trying to prevent rioting by losers, the response by normal people is not outrage but mockery. Because you are attacking the police who are acting legally, when the police are defending the interests of normal folks against Occupy protesters who aren’t even housebroken.
From my point of view, it isn’t a problem at all. But then again, my main interest in the Occupy Wall Street movement is to make fun of their strikes and marches that don’t achieve anything except to make them look worse than usual, if that were possible.
Regards,
Shodan
Can’t say I’m particularly surprised by your opinions:
Essentially, the police are entitled to do anything they want, as long as they cannot be prosecuted for it. It does not matter in this particular case that 6 of them hassled people using the pretext of a minor ticket, because they are only Dirty Fucking Hippies anyway. They are different - “other”. They are unacceptable people.
The Dirty Fucking Hippies were probably planning to rape someone , or even worse, litter. So it’s good that the police put the scare into them.
Anyway, you’re not a Dirty Fucking Hippie, so you have nothing to worry about. The police should do anything they can to protect you from Dirty Fucking Hippie Rapist Litterbugs.
If by this you mean “the police should always obey the law in the course of doing their jobs”, then yes, obviously.
No, it doesn’t matter because the police didn’t break the law. Even these Occupy idiots deserve the equal protection of the laws. Which they got.
Everything they legally can, yes. Of course the hippies and their supporters are going to whine about it, but fortunately they Godwinize themselves into ridiculousness pretty quick.
Regards,
Shodan
It’s legal! It’s perfectly legal! That means it’s acceptable!
And anyway they were Dirty Fucking Hippies!
And the word Gestapo was used - and the police here are not called “Gestapo” so they did nothing wrong!
I’ve covered these already. Come back if you can bring anything new to the discussion.
The original story linked in the OP happened immediately on the heels of 5 “Occupy” protesters and anarchists being arrested while in the act of trying to blow up a highway bridge in Cleveland. At least one of the NY raids was on the apartment of a self described anarchist. Is it possible that the events in Cleveland might have prompted police in NY to take some otherwise unplanned action?
Blkshp, you cannot argue with a tantrum.
Regards,
Shodan
Ahhhh…
Dirty Fucking Hippie Rapist bridge blowing up Litterbugs then.
I was not aware that the police in this case had specific information that these specific Dirty Fucking Hippies were planning violent acts. Or are you advocating that ANYONE who has ever been involved with Occupy protests is now a valid suspect in terrorist bombings? Maybe for safety we should pre-emptively round them up and put them in camps .*
Name calling - the last hope of a man with no argument.
I tried argument - you seem impervious.
The perfectly legal actions of the police, in attempting to preserve public order, upset and offend you. And for that, you drag out the accusations of Gestapo tactics.
Boo copulating hoo.
But feel free to make yourself look ridiculous.
Regards,
Shodan
OK, on the graph, this line is the time line from when Shodan stopped reading my posts. This other line is the line of his increasingly distant contact with reality. Note the direct correspondence.
My posts are good for your mental health, like cognitive broccoli. You’re welcome.
I was not aware of this either. I was merely pointing it out as a conceivable explanation for the NYPD actions - as opposed to merely random acts of harassment. But, then if they were only planning a rape and litter campaign as you suggest…
You did not have an argument. You merely repeated the same old, same old that others have.
Perfectly legal. I’ve already stipulated that this was so. This is the fig leaf you are hiding behind. Was their action right? This is the question some of us are asking.
They attempted to preserve public order? By raiding a house where someone had an outstanding open container ticket? You funny. Unless they had evidence that these particular DFH’s were proposing to conduct future criminal acts? Did the police have such evidence?
I am not the OP. I did not drag out accusations of Gestapo tactics. It has been pointed out that this may in fact be a bit of hyperbole on the part of the OP. It has certainly been used to hijack the post quite effectively.
Everything the Gestapo did was perfectly legal under the law in WWII era Germany.
So, in your world “legal” = acceptable. Nevermind who wrote what “legal” means and what it accommodates.
Yes, people have pointed out that our police are not the same as the Gestapo.
I said they were using Gestapo tactics. The Gestapo unarguably used this tactic. They used other and even worse tactics too. Still, what the NYPD is doing here is a Gestapo tactic. That is not hyperbole. If I said the NYPD were the same as the Gestapo that would be hyperbole. But I didn’t say that.