And so the Gestapo tactics begin (OWS)

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@Euphonious_Polemic

So I gather that you feel that this police activity was along the lines of an intelligence gathering operation, rather than a “lets intimidate some random Dirty Fucking Hippies so the rest of them will get the message” sort of operation.

Probably a little of both.

@Euphonious_Polemic

Do you have any evidence that these particular DFH’s had access to important information of future crimes? That they were specially selected based on police information? If so, one would have thought that the warrant would have specified that. Or were they just the lucky ones that happened to have a 6 year old unpaid ticket for the police to use as an excuse?

I have no more actual evidence than what is in the article. Have I ever stated otherwise?

@Euphonious_Polemic

Which seems most likely?

shrug Take your pick.

[Whack-a-Mole]

This has to be among the dumbest contortion I have seen to defend a position…hope nothing got broke…

@Makeitstop

1. In the cases in which Martin Luther King fought the injustices blacks faced in mid-1900s America, police visiting the homes of three black people and interrogating them about their plans of protest would be the least of the crimes police committed.

Seriously?

So…this time you are ONLY breaking into my house, interrogating me and arresting me for bullshit. What a relief! :rolleyes:

2. The Civil Rights Movement, as it was run during the time of MLK, never made their plans secret or covert. In fact, they relied on as many people knowing about them as possible, both their freinds and their enemies. The police would hardly need to interrogate black people in their homes to find out what was going to go down. One of the most astounding things I read about the movement when I was a kid was how organized and orderly the protests were, considering the injustices that had been commited.

What about these plans were “secret or covert”? The major news media reported a “massive” protest that was actually secret?

And those organized and orderly protests in the civil rights era BLOCKED STREETS! :eek:

For their trouble they got hosed down and had dogs sent after them (lack of pepper spray I guess).

3. People involved in the Civil Rights Movement knew what they were getting into when they protested. The police were going to hassle and intimidate them not just because it was their job, and because quite a few of them were racist fuckers. Quite frankly, if police did not react as they did when the Civil Rights Movement took place, the protesters themselves would have been dissapointed. They WANTED the police, and the general racist public, to react the way they did, because it drew more attention to the injustices the movement sought to end.

The protestors WANTED to get their asses kicked? Really? Cite?

And police being “racist fuckers” in no way absolves them.

Your take on this is astounding. It is like, “Well, he is an abusive asshole so you can’t really get fussed when he beats the living shit out of his wife.”

What the fuck is wrong with you?

*“Quite frankly, if police did not react as they did when the Civil Rights Movement took place, the protesters themselves would have been dissapointed. They WANTED the police, and the general racist public, to react the way they did, because it drew more attention to the injustices the movement sought to end.”
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What the hell is that? Does this mean we should be glad men abused women so we could become aware that they were being abused? The women WANTED the abuse? Yes it is an analogy but how is that fundamentally different?

I’ll say this: Had this hypothetical situation occured EXACTLY the same way back then that it did today, I’d be glad it did. Because it would cause more upheaval, it would bring more attention to the injustice of ‘Jim Crow South’, and would simply be playing right into the movement’s hands.

Thank god people do shitty things to bring light to people doing shitty things. :rolleyes:

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@Whack-a-Mole

And police being “racist fuckers” in no way absolves them.

I NEVER said it did.

@Whack-a-Mole

The protestors WANTED to get their asses kicked? Really? Cite?

“We had no alternative except to prepare for direct action, whereby we would present our very bodies as a means of laying our case before the conscience of the local and the national community. Mindful of the difficulties involved, we decided to undertake a process of self purification. We began a series of workshops on nonviolence, and we repeatedly asked ourselves: “Are you able to accept blows without retaliating?” “Are you able to endure the ordeal of jail?””

-Martin Luther King, Letter from Birmingham Jail, April 16, 1963

@Whack-a-Mole

Thank god people do shitty things to bring light to people doing shitty things. :rolleyes:

Well, actually yes. That’s exactly what makes the Civil Rights Movement such a brave movement. These people knew that doing what they were doing was going to bring a lot of heat upon them. They knew it was going to get worse before it got better. They are some of the bravest people I have EVER read about.

@Whack-a-Mole

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I guess I actually know my history.