According to various and sundry translator websites, “caritas” is Spanish for, um, “caritas.”
I always got the impression that the club was neutral territory, that anyone could go there at any time for a drink and a song, and if Lorne sensed something going on he’d make the decision whether to fill you in. Not restricted to the “good guys,” either. I recall a couple of occassions where Lorne offered advice to (presumably) evil demons and at least once when he refused to fill one of the Scoo…er, detectives in on what he sensed for them. If anything Angel and crew have been abusing the privilege of late. I’m happy to see Lorne being taken out as a go-to guy. The crew already has Cordelia, strictly speaking they don’t need a second link to the PTB. Plus, it was becoming to easy of a plot device to run to Lorne every time something mysterious popped up.
After much internet research, I’ve found that “Caritas” is a Latin word. According to the online Latin-English Dictionary here the word translates as “charity”.
Also: “high price /high cost of living /dearness, affection.”
I’m definitely looking forward to finding out why the place was still looking like a war zone. And what price Angel has to pay to get the spell lifted in that episode. And what price it will take to restore it.
And what gruesome, highly anatomically detailed speech sweet little Fred will come out with next.
It still looks like a war zone because Lorne hasn’t had the place repaired yet. Presumably he’s too depressed. Angel’s price, from the way the three spell-casters were acting, will be a roll in the hay (mmmm…Angel!). Per the same three spell-casters, Lorne pays them cash money every month to renew the spell.
Isn’t Lorne responsible for Fred going to the other dimension? Or didn’t his arriving in LA coincided with Fred getting pulled to his dimension. Maybe there’s some guilt/feelings based on that.
Of course, I could be misremembering the timing. When did Lorne arrive in LA?
I think Lorne’s left butt cheek, er, heart isn’t into helping people out right now. Still in his robe, not fixing up the place, giving Fred advice that, frankly, stinks, he’s in a deep funk. Clearly he’s pissed at Gunn, and Lorne isn’t usually a guy that gets angry at people. I get the feeling that his advice to Fred; “You haven’t run away far enough” was directed at himself.
Gotta love down-home, loving parents, who can also drive a bus and swing a garbage can. Probably everyone from Texas is like that.
Maybe Lorne hasn’t bothered to repair/clean up because he can’t get the no-violence spell restored until next month?
Or maybe he’s just really bitter because the people he helped the most le the folks who blew up his bar into the bar. I know that’s not precisely true, but I’m sure it’s close to his point of view.
No offense, I’m sure, but I do not need a review of the rules for apostrophes, I merely need to proofread more closely before hitting send. It was a typo (twice).
This was most certainly meant to be character building for Lorne. I think he was surprised that she truly believed his home dimension had been a “storybook” (i.e. none of it or them were real); I think he missed that before. I agree with Trion to the point that Lorne would empathize with her running from family, because that’s what he did, but I don’t think it’s as simple as “doesn’t care to help any more.”
It may not pan out (as I know Joss is full of surprises), but it seems to me as well that Lorne is exhibiting all the typical signs of severe depression. He LOVED Caritas, and it was destroyed. None of the gang offered to help fix it up, now he has no karaoke bar, no sea breezes, no one to read and host…what happens to “The Host” when the party ends? Experiencing depression is not the same as not wanting to care.
I got this impression as well – neutral ground. Lorne may have even said something to that effect in an episode. Caritas is Sweden. And, I’m glad to see Otto bring up the point that it could to easy become simply a plot device (use don’t abuse).
Oh, neat discovery – the other meanings for caritas could make it interesting.
Actually, I believe the reverse may actually true. Fred is quite possibly responsible for bringing Lorne to her dimension (and conversely losing herself in his). I was led to believe from that episode that Fred tried to read the book she found in the library. Apparently there was a psychic hotspot. She got zapped into his world, he got (mercifully) pulled into hers.
I’d bet he meant that she couldn’t run far enough because you can’t run away from truth/reality – it always catches up with you.
What about this affection Gunn seems to be developing for Fred? Am I imagining that? The way he doesn’t jump when she enters the room, the way he remembers more about her than anyone else. He’s very gentle with her.
Forgive me, but I missed the first half of the “Lorne’s club gets trashed” episode. What happened to the non-violence spell (wait, there was a non-violence spell?)? And what spell did Angel have to have lifted by the three “Mm, Angel” girls?
Host: “Love the coat. It’s all about the coat. Welcome to Caritas. You know what that means?”
Angel: “It’s Latin for mercy.”
Host: “Smart and cute. How about gracing us with a number?”
Finally got to watch the episode yesterday. Totally loved it! I like Fred. I like her parents. I LOVED it when Fred’s mom hit the big bug with the bus.
I think that Lorne is going to be going through some interesting emotions in the upcoming episodes. Couldn’t help but notice that he hasn’t even picked up the tables and chairs since the big fight. And he’s feeling just a little bitter towards Gunn.
Of course, the rest of you have covered this thoroughly. Damn, I hate getting the Buffy and Angel several days after the US. All the good comments have already been made.
Interesting episode. Interesting that Lila would choose to be a woman in front of a W&H stooge. I wonder, was it Cordelia’s rousing speech or did she just decide that getting punched in the face a lot really sucked?
And what a surprise, Fred mars another episode. Not her fault really, as I’m assuming she isn’t the one who decided to write the tripthud into the script. I really really hate it in movies and TV when a woman’s running from a man only to trip and fall over. At least she didn’t just wallow around on the floor waiting to be polished off like what usually happens. I liked that Cordelia is learning to fight and I really liked how she’s incorporating her cheerleading experience.
I thought that tonight’s episode was quite solid. It was interesting to see Wesley play the villain and how Gunn was able to control his impulses much more.
Fred is cute, so I forgive her for lots of things.
Otto I think that the stumble was a play on what happens in other chase scenes. The chase by a guy with an axe through an old hotel seems a little familiar to me.
I think Fred is a nice addition to the episodes, I liked her reaction to Wesly the villian. Wesley the villian was incredible. The entire episode was eerie and Wesley’s speach especially made me think there might be more comming. The only thing I want to know is why Billy isn’t supposed to be left alone with women, he doesn’t beat them himself so what does he do to them?
I also liked the end with Angel explaining his feelings. The line about being creeped out and comforted at the same time was great.
Wow. That’s about the scariest thing I’ve seen on TV all year. Disturbing. Eeeeevil. My only complaint was that I wanted Cordelia to kill Billy. Having Lila do it was a bit of a cop-out.
I disagree with Otto about the fall, which was actually a clever double-fake, setting up Gunn’s intervention (instead of Wesley, as the cliche would have it.) I like how Gunn seems to be treating Fred like his little sister, who got killed back when Gunn was introduced.
And Cordelia learning how to fight rocks very nicely, too.
