And your post is a great example of the left wing’s problem with racists.
Being a racist and being black are not equivalent. Because there’s nothing wrong with being black. But there is something wrong with being a racist.
Being a racist is like being a child molester. It’s not something that deserves toleration. Racism, like child molesting, is something that should be hounded into non-existence. I don’t advocate the extermination of racists and child molesters but I fully support driving them to the point where they’re afraid to act on their beliefs. And that includes verbally expressing their beliefs.
It’s still just a thought. I’ve met a few real racists, and they don’t stop at thoughts. Not by a long shot. By calling someone a racist because of just a thought, you are watering down the word to uselessness.
You’re right, I don’t believe you, or any of the rest of you claiming this. I might grant that as an adult you may not use slurs, but I would bet pretty solid money that damn near everyone, including all of you, at some point in their life has had at least one racist thought.
Added on Preview: - Andy, I’m not right wing either, nice try with the lazy smear job though. I have my issues with the right as well, but policing thought crime isn’t one of them. And I’m not going into specifics. The username is Crazy Canuck, not Stupid Masochistic Canuck.
What smear? My entire point was that such generalizations are dumb and pointless. If you have a problem with certain posts, then address those posts – but your sweeping generalizations about the left wing are just vague and useless nonsense.
It follows from this: “it is not the case that ‘all you have to do to be called it is to be black’”. Do you disagree with that? A black person doesn’t have to “act in a certain way” to risk being called a nigger. He might increase his chances with certain behaviors, but there is always a non-zero and non-trivial chance that he is going to be called that no matter what he does. Again, witness Obama as a perfect example.
Of course I’ve had racist thoughts. However, I’ve never used a mental racist slur in my life, not causally or deliberately. And Annie is an adult, so stupid thoughts as immature kids aren’t even relevant here.
Rascism is virtually impossible to avoid growing up in the USA, and it’s important to challenge our feelings when they creep up on it. But that’s a huge difference from “man, that guy is totally a nigger and my friends think so too”.
In my (admittedly biased) view, there has always been something going on with Annie X-mas. A lot of her posting history is unremarkable (I mean that in a good way) but she can be oddly irascible occasionally, and she shares some startlingly unpleasant ideas from time to time, like “adoption turns people into serial killers.” (I’m adopted, hence my recoiling from anyone who needs to promote that statement.) She was pitted for it here.
I think the “not” in your first sentence may not have been intended (otherwise I don’t understand what you’re saying).
What I’m saying is that anyone can call anyone anything. That doesn’t mean that no terms have any real meaning. The fact that any black person has a non-zero chance of being called a nigger has no bearing on whether the term has a more specific connotation. As previous, any person has a non-zero chance of being called stupid. But that doesn’t mean that stupid doesn’t really mean stupid.
As far as I can tell, every dictionary entry (present and past) on “nigger” and other comprehensive sources (like Wikipedia) that I can find say that nigger is a derogatory slur for black people, with nothing about stereotypical behaviors. Do you have any evidence or cites that it’s actually a derogatory slur for black people who engage in certain stereotypical behaviors?
No. That was a direct quote from Shodan’s post He is stating that it is NOT the case that all you have to do to be called a nigger is to be black. That is nonsense.
I think that’s a distinction without a difference in the way he’s using it. He’s not using “nigga” in the sense of “fellow black brother” or whatever. He’s using it in the sense that we know “nigger” to be used.
I love Louie. Greatest stand up comedian of his generation. But his n-word shtick in that bit is just dumb, and solely done for comedic value.
If a “white lady with nice hair” on CNN said the “f-word”, would that be an example of white people saying “fuck” and getting away with it? Of course not. In the US, it’s just the way things are done… they don’t use racial slurs and swear words on broadcast/basic cable television.
I would prefer that they just say that it was a racial slur or curse word, instead of “blank-word”, but it’s a dumb bit. Louie should know better.
Emphasis added. If you want to claim that as a point, I guess you are free to do so. Yes, anyone can call anyone anything. Did you think there was some controversy associated with that statement? Note: That’s a rhetorical question. Please don’t attempt to answer it.
Do you believe that all criticism of racist statements are bullying? If not, what makes any of the criticism in this thread bullying, and which posts qualify?
Oh, I guess I did, didn’t I? I was so lost in the discussion between you and **iiandyiiii **that I made no contribution to either of your points. I should have stayed out of it
Upon further parsing, it appears you guys are locked in a chicken-v-egg type of discussion. Sure, the minutia can be argued, but the reason (and malice with which) one is using that term can usually be gleaned from the context.
I wouldn’t ordinarily think it’s necessary to “claim that as a point”. But I’m responding to a guy who is claiming as a point that “He might increase his chances with certain behaviors, but there is always a non-zero and non-trivial chance that [a black person] is going to be called that no matter what he does.” In response to that, mine is a valid counterpoint.
A big part of the problem is that the word is often applied randomly to people who have not displayed any sterotypical attributes. Sort of a reverse on the presumption of innocence. You’re one of “those” until you demonstrate that you’re not, and even then you’re not above suspicion.
And you don’t have to stop listening to Dr Dre, but you might wish to consider not singing along with him.
