Another filmed police encounter (Hammond, IN)

If you insist;

What bad man? The only person I ever see in the mirror is myself.

Why? The man is a gigantic coward who would never harm anybody. He’s just desperate to stay on the good side of people in power and he gets terrified whenever a fellow sheep steps away from the herd. And he’s got some odd turn-ons, but we shouldn’t judge him for that.

Nobody is evading a fine, as the driver had already been ticketed and they could have given him a ticket through the window.

Then their refusal to cooperate makes even less sense, as there was, by your own insistence, absolutely no benefit to their doing so.

Sure, if you’d like to redefine a word to not mean what it means, then yeah, it would mean something different.

However, violence is directly related to force, therefore, any application of force is violent. Since we legally disallow the threat of force as well as the actual application of force, generally, in our society, it follows that a threat of force is also violent.

Nothing you wrote there contradicts me unless we accept your new definition for “violence”. I see no compelling or even vaguely persuasive argument for why I should accept your new definition.

Do you have some potentially compelling or pesuasive arguments in support of your desired new definition?

If the shit ever hits the fan, Smapti will gladly turn in anyone in to whatever authority happens to be rounding people up. He could never be trusted by anyone, even his own family, to risk himself in any way if something went wrong.

Is that what someone was trying to do?

Yeah, I’m loving the dramatic language. “Public thoroughfare”. “Remorse and guilt”. For a fucking seatbelt violation. Priceless.

That’s some Class A trolling there.

I don’t think the shituation has much to do with fluid mechanics, TBH.

Hmmmm. I’m sorry, but I don’t see that I wrote anything like what you said I wrote. I only spoke of detaining someone, not “any display of police authority”.

I’m afraid you’ve got me confused with someone else.

Make up your mind, if you’re capable of holding an opinion other than “Must respect the authorities so they won’t hurt me.” Either they were behaving with intent to evade a fine (which they plainly were not), or they were being irrational (again, not really). The reality is that they were afraid of these cops after being threatened. It’s ironic that you can’t relate to this since fear of cops seems to be the only emotion you can express.

Class A? It’s a tour de force. I applaud him for a remarkable performance.

Either their behavior was sane or insane. There is no other option.

So “insane”, then.

Why would I possibly fear the cops?

I’m loving the Smapti show.

He’s pretty damn good at coming up with new shit, spins on the old shit, or respining other people’s shit that you folks have to keep beating down.

Its the Pit, but for numbers:

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/october/latest-law-enforcement-officers-killed-and-assaulted-report-released/latest-law-enforcement-officers-killed-and-assaulted-report-released

48 officers died in 2012 on duty.

Or we can go academic:
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/jbs/Criminal%20Procedure%20in%20American%20Society/OfficersAssaulted.pdf

So detaining someone is not a display of authority?

So do you oppose seatbelt laws, or do you only oppose the enforcement of seatbelt laws?

I’m going to disagree there. He’s pretty going much straight from the Starving Artist playbook of “post the same thing over and over as if the entire rest of the thread vanishes with each new post.”

Correct. But those weren’t the options you presented. You came up with “insane” and “dishonest.”

I think pointing guns at a car full of children is insane.

Because according to your descriptions, they are insane despots who will resort to violence at the tiniest accidental provocation or sign of disrespect.