The thing about penny games is that it’s easier to call with nothing. Pocket JJ are probably worth a pre-flop raise, and in a big game that might have scared off pocket 44. Tough call, at any rate; it would have at least made him sweat for his win. But at low limits, there’s no way 4-4 doesn’t get played.
Um, I can’t really fault the other guy’s play here. With a small pair you want cheap flops, which he got. Hit trips, which is again the goal. He probably put you on J9 or AJ, both of which he has covered. It also sounds like you didn’t hammer the pot until the river, when he had the nuts.
Where, exactly, was his bad play? Sure, bragging about your “mad skillz” is kinda scruffy, but I can’t see fault with his play here.
Aside from going all in with a gut shot straight flush and paired queens on the board? 7 people playing, odds pretty decent that at least one person has a queen, and the best you have is a 9 high.
Psst. Read who I was replying to. The OP’s situation is terrible play, to be sure. I was talkking about Clothahump’s opponent, though.
And with the OP, the guy had only three cards to the straight flush, not four. Eww. Utter junk.
:smack: D’oh! Sorry bout that. :rolleyes:
Man, that’s bullshit. Thank goodness I only play with friends.
I can’t see where Clothahump said the play was bad. It sounds like he was complaining about a nasty beat and the other guy’s bragging about his skills when he should have been praising the poker gods for his luck.
Eh, I guess I just read too much into the Bozo comment, implying that he’s no good at cards. Ah, well. You know what they say about bad beat stories, after all.
Quite possibly, but tell me anyway.
Bricker, that is just wrong. Who the fuck in their right ming would have one all in with garbage like that.
I’ve been playing online hold’em, usually .05/.10 - .25/.50. I’ll be alone in the house, dead silent except for the sound of my CPU fan. I flop a king high flush. Through a series of raises, it’s down to me and some other guy. The other cards are garbage. He calls with an ace high flush! My reaction to a shaft like that is probably the same that every player has when they get screwed on a great hand. Basically, to proclaim to the entire table in a voice “that everyone can hear clearly”…
FUCK!!!
I’ve had some bad beats in my day, and the worst was rather expensive ($300+ pot, my Aces full of Queens loses to straight flush on the river). But at least then, the guy that won it did it the right way: he turned his cards over, raked his pot, and said something like, “Wow, that’s a rough beat.”
Meanwhile, I’ve lost penny ante hands to jerks that had no business playing and felt like pulling their tongues out of their mouths. It’s not about how much money is at stake; it’s not even about whether they played the hand right; it’s about whether they acted like jerks or not.
Another behaviour I’ve come to loathe online is the habit of some players, after winning a pot, to type TY in chat. If I’m not involved in the hand I’ve been known to berate them for acting like an ass. You won the pot, don’t be a jerk about it.
Sorry but what is ‘TY’ ?
Thank you.
“Thank you”, I assume. For the winner to say “thank you” suggests the losers were giving up their chips as a matter of generosity.
Personally, I prefer clichés like “it’s all in the wrist”.
I have to vent about this. This is as good a spot as any. I hated the beat of course, but worse than the beat was this dumbass who, upon winning, started berating me as a horrible player. Yeah, you piece of crap motherfucker, calling the pre-flop raise with NOTHING was the mark of a player with mad skillz. You know it, calling the flop with NOTHING was a fucking genius play on your part. Calling a huge bet on the turn with NOTHING other than a draw was goddamn brilliant. You were behind on every fucking street, made three horrible fucking calls and you got lucky; take the fucking pot and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Texas Hold’em $0.50-$1 NL(real money),hand#680,332,666
Table Torreon,24 Feb 2005 10:24 PM
Seat1:lakers01($69.95inchips)
Seat2:sundance67($23.80inchips)
Seat3:billy beru($87.15inchips)
Seat4:Kugr84($11.50inchips)
Seat5:Otto4711KC,KD
Seat6:crazyhorse6($19.35inchips)
Seat7:meotto($45.55inchips)
Seat8:uustorm($54.50inchips)
Seat9:pmg119($57.95inchips)
Seat10:smabee($14.80inchips)
ANTES/BLINDS
uustorm posts blind ($0.25), pmg119 posts blind ($0.50).
PRE-FLOP
smabee folds, lakers01 folds, sundance67 calls $0.50, billy beru calls $0.50, Kugr84 folds, Otto4711 bets $2, crazyhorse6 folds, meotto folds, uustorm folds, pmg119 folds, sundance67 calls $1.50, billy beru calls $1.50.
FLOP [board cards QS,3D,6D ]
sundance67 checks, billy beru bets $4, Otto4711 bets $10, sundance67 folds, billy beru calls $6.
TURN [board cards QS,3D,6D,9C ]
billy beru checks, Otto4711 bets $27 and is all-in, billy beru calls $27.
RIVER [board cards QS,3D,6D,9C,AD ]
SHOWDOWN
Otto4711 shows [ KC,KD ]
billy beru shows [ 7D,5D ]
billy beru wins $77.75.
I tend to see lots of people call an all in with flush draws. I don’t usually mind the call because I’ll be ahead, but it’s usually a good draw unlike 7 5. I guess the inside straight draw doesn’t hurt either. Claiming that you played badly though… I think they’re just trying to get people to play loose looking for revenge. I think I’d prefer that to them meaning it.
Calling the pre-flop raise was foolish, but it’s an issue of materiality. It cost him $1.50 to see the flop. He didn’t have the odds for it, but it’s only $1.50 - as we’ve discussed before, in low-limit games, this stuff happens.
Bluffing with a $4 flop bet is arguably good strategy, although it would have been better if tried on a hand where HE was the one to raise pre-flop. If I saw that, I’d think he had pocket 3’s or pocket 6’s - it would explain the reluctance to raise pre-flop and the willingness to call your raise, etc. In any event, there is no rationale for the next move - you raised his flop bet $6. He had nothing near pot odds, nothing near implied odds, and, more importantly, every possible signal that his bluff had been called. This was the point he should have folded, even granting that some strategy motivated his previous play.
Of course the turn call of $27 is equally flawed. There’s no implied odds to consider, since you’re the only other player and you’re all-in. He doesn’t have the A, K, Q, J, or T – all of which in your hand would beat his flush. It’s not just a matter of hoping for a club - he’s got to get a club while you’re not suited in clubs, or get a higher club than you have. No contortion of reasoning justifies this bet.
Actually, now that I look at this play again – why didn’t you think he had pocket 3’s or pocket 6’s? What made you go all-in?
Pssst… It was a diamond he was after, not a club.