This is why I don’t like that kind of Poker. Give my plain old 5-card any day.
I’m not faulting his play. In penny-ante, I would have probably have bet it the way he did as well. It was the “woo-hoo, I’m a poker ghod” bullshit that I’m grousing about.
Plus the fact that I lost with a perfectly good boat. Mutter, mutter, grumble…
Just that they’re generally of interest only to the teller.
That sounds snobby. Don’t get me wrong, I tell bad beat stories as much as anyone. It’s just that when you play enough poker, you see anything and everything happen. Given enough time, it’s virutally guaranteed.
Fair enough. I can’t stand that either. Take your wins and losses like a man (when applicable).
Many low level schlubs will always slow play their sets. Otto may have had a read on this guy as a moron, which he was. Besides, would a good player want to go heads up with pocket 6s or pocket 3s out of position? It’s great if you hit your set but your odds suck if you’re up against an overpair like Ks. (Yada yada yada implied odds whatever.)
Btw, for anyone who’s into this type of poker analysis, check out the 2+2 forums.
Man, if this is where we can post our bad beats, let me post my most entertaining beat (although it wasn’t really a bad beat). I was sitting at a $10 SnG, with three players left, top two spots get money. I had been knocked around for a while after being chip leader most of the time, and was down to about 2/3ds of the second place player’s stack, when I get dealt pocket rockets.
So, I put in a decent raise pre-flop, get re-raised by the first guy. His raise was cold called by the second opponent, and I push all-in. Both people call. Cards flip over:
Me: AA
First Guy: AA
Second Guy: QQ
I’m thinking at least I’ll split the pot, when, lo and behold, a Q flops, and that was the end of the tournament for me. I think the most frustrating part was realizing that there was absolutely no way at that point, barring 3 Ks falling, that my hand could improve.
It might be better for your blood pressure to simply turn off the chat function and just play. That way you won’t see the dumbass table talk.
I had to walk away from poker for a while because the annoying idiots pissed me off way too much. I’ve slowly gotten back into it over the last few months and have done pretty well. I stick mostly to on-line games now and for the most part don’t read the chat comments.
Haj
I just do not get the ethic of berating folks who don’t play “correctly”. And yes I put correctly in quotes because although I do realize there are ways to play that are deemed correct due to odds etc. If you don’t like getting beat by an “incorrect” play then I suggest you play chess instead.
Either do I. As far as I can tell, everyone else who has posted to this thread would also agree with you.
This thread is about people who make poor choices according to the odds and manage to win and then berating us.
Haj
I was referring more to people like Otto’s opponent.
He didn’t know the meaning of the words “slow play.” If he’d had a set on the flop he would’ve re-raised. I knew I had him crushed. He obviously had no clue how much of a dog he was What really sucked was that he kept catching cards. Flopped straights two or three times, rivered pretty much everyone at the table at least once and kept blathering about how great he was and how fine his play was. Bet $3 from the small blind with pocket QQ and the BB folded and he started crowing to me about the way to play big pocket pairs. I’m thinking, fine, if all you want to win with them is 50 cents, great raise.
I don’t mind his play of the hand in the slightest. 7 times out of ten he’ll pay me off. What would be nice is just a few more of those went my way. But I can’t really complain too much since I sucked out twice on different people last night (caught a three-outer on the river to make a higher two pair while all in on one, caught a four-outer to make a full house on the river against a straight, broke both people but unfortunately for smaller pots); still, my feeling is if the cards followed the statistics a little more closely for me I’d be up a few thousand dollars at this point. It was his acting like an asshole that pissed me off.
Oh, but you should have seen the size of the hand that got away!
No, not a terribly good play by your opponent, but nowhere near the level of disaster in the OP.
After the flop, he had 43.33% chance to win the hand.
After the turn, he was at 31%.
Not good pot odds, but, hey, if you like to game, a one-in-three shot ain’t too nutty.
Oh, no question the OP was an uglier beat. It’s not the beat I’m irritated by. 70% of the time I’ll pocket his money. It’s the lecture.
No doubt the lecture is annoying. But I probably would’ve paid at least to see the turn. With four outs for the straight, and nine outs for the flush (not knowing you have a diamond), those odds aren’t too bad, and I would’ve pegged you at a high pair. From my perspective, that’s pretty much a 50-50 hand.
If you called all-in after the flop, I would defintely take it. After the river, probably not, but it would have depended on my mood…
I played a tremendous tournament today, about 40 people, $14 no-limit Hold-Em, no rebuy. I was about the 10th or 12th out. I lost fair and square, all in short on a decent pocket pair. I got beat in hand (my caller had KK to my TT), and he flopped a set.
It was really a good time. I played well, I got knocked out well, and no one I played with was a dick or an idiot.
I’m going back to that casino.
I agree, there was nothing wrong with the pre-flop call. In fact, if you put someone on a high pair, that’s exactly the sort of hand you’d want to take them on with. I don’t have a problem with leading out on the flop, it’s aggressive and there’s a chance that Otto could have been holding AK, once you do that you really have to call the reraise and see the turn. The only thing I would really quibble with is calling the All-in. But, if I’m reading it right, he’s getting 2/1 on his money and (assuming pulykamell is right, can’t be bothered to work it out!) he’s 31% to win (although he can’t know for sure that any diamond is a winner for him) so he’s almost got the pot odds to justify that call even.
Actually, on reflection, the thing that I like least in his play is the check on the turn. He can only be behind at that point, if he’s prepared to call all in in that situation, then he’d be much better betting all in and giving himself a chance to take the pot without hitting his draw.