Update - this may be false.
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Don’t his social media accounts verify this?
Except in real life, most people in both parties support more gun control. This isn’t about the politicians pandering to get votes; this is about them being willing to go against their own supporters.
Okay, I’ll bite. Why do you think the decade was called “the roaring 20’s”?
Scumpup: Once again - get help.
Why? I can see you’re a piece of shit just fine as is. The only thing I’m even mildly unsure of is whether you’ve done any time. Did you get diverted into probation and counseling?
BTW, how many people are alive this week because you don’t own a gun?
Oh, and E? Even you can’t possibly tale the idea of you as a problem solver seriously. I’m going to go ahead and assume that was an attempt at humor on your part.
The failure of the mental health system is a common thread through these killings. The lone apparent except is Las Vegas, but generally poor mental heath care and/or minding our neighbors seem to be a common thread.
James Holmes, the Colorado theater killer, is perhaps the best example. He tried to contact his psychiatrist while his tenure in a graduate program was falling apart. Other examples are less clear-cut since we know less about their psychological care and treatment. Jared Lochner, who killed a bunch of people, had been expelled from Pima Community College. Adam Lanza’s schooling in an affluent Newtown, Connecticut should have exposed him to mental health professionals.
In an incident strikingly similar to the Texas massacre, Esteban Santiago killed six people at Fort Lauderdale International Airport in January 2017. His downward spiral is detailed here, [[FONT="]http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article126025249.html] [URL=“http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article126025249.html”]Fort Lauderdale shooter Esteban Santiago saw life falling apart]([/FONT). The article details how “a tape of a January 2016 domestic violence court hearing after his arrest for fighting with his girlfriend, a prosecutor lays out the case, explaining he broke down the bathroom door at Peterson’s home, then hit her in the head.”
Kelley, the murderer in Texas, had similar domestic violence problems. They both had troubled military service.
De-institutionalization was a well-intentioned program. It was supposed to convert inhumane and, for the patient ineffective confinement into treatment in the community. This April 2, 1972 article, which I remembered reading, The Patients Can Walk Out At Any Time at Bronx State Mental Hospital [[FONT="]http://www.nytimes.com/1972/04/02/archives/the-patients-can-walk-out-at-any-time-at-bronx-state-mental.html] URL=“http://www.nytimes.com/1972/04/02/archives/the-patients-can-walk-out-at-any-time-at-bronx-state-mental.html”]([/FONT) made the case for de-institutionalization. Unfortunately few were as motivated as Israel Zwerling, and most looked at the process as a way of saving money.
The mental health system is not doing a good job of keeping these people under control. While the status quo ante before mass de-institutionalization was inhumane to the patients, it did keep the country safe from the lunatics. Perhaps the balance needs to be tipped more in favor of the public than the lunatics.
We can work at improving the humanity, and where appropriate the therapeutic nature of these centers. But we were safer with these people locked up than out loose. See [URL=“https://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/301550-shambolic-state-mental-health-care-many-more-lives-down-drain.html?highlight=shambolic”]The Shambolic State of Mental Health Care; How Many More Lives Down the Drain?.
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But it doesn’t stop at the mental health system; to some extent it involves a far wider community. People need to be more involved with their neighbors.
In recent years there have been plenty of mass shootings. In addition to those discussed about, there is Elliot Rodger (Santa Barbara) and Stephen Paddock (Las Vegas). All of these people were obviously troubled. All of these people, except maybe Adam Lanza, were in regular contact with other students, teachers and administrators at their respective schools. Dylan Roof was in regular contact with friends, roommates and his parents. The societal problem is that it is easier to ignore people who are not sociable and not pleasant to be with than to engage them.
With this horrific church massacre, we are treated to lectures about gun control and about racism. People forget that both in this episode and Sandy Hook parents without any apparent mental health pathologies were the ones that obtained the weapons, not the mentally ill adult-aged children. Guns are everywhere so efforts to control legally purchased guns are doomed to futility. The most those laws will do is prevent people who would hurt no one from owning a gun.
Racism is similarly rife in society. But no one things that Dylan Roof was active in any anti-black political movement.
I suppose that liberals don’t want to deal with mental health issues because that would mean getting involved with and spending real time with unpleasant people who don’t make good social companions. That takes real time and effort. Learning more about those people and having people who are conscious of their ups and downs might prevent some, though certainly not all tragedies.
I am not saying it is the role of untrained people to be psychologists. Far from it. But when people are left friendless for long periods, and no one reaches out to them a tragedy will sometimes occur. It is our job, as a society, to know our neighbors, students and colleagues.
I feel that forming real communities will solve some of these problems. Trying to remove the implements of crime from people who are far beyond obeying any law of any kind is futile and useless.
It is far easier and more satisfying to inveigh against guns and racism. It feels good and typical for liberals that’s what matters as was pointed out here.
It is logistically possible - I could even draw you a rough road map of what it would entail and how it would work. What makes it seemingly improbable is the lack of political will to amend the law and enforce a new law. And I’m not even sure that a gun ban is the best answer to the problem for America.
Why Can’t the U.S. Treat Gun Violence as a Public-Health Problem?If you look at the Republicans’ positions on health care, Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs concerned with the well-being of the public, it’s abundantly clear that they don’t give a rat’s ass about public health. It’s not something the government should be involved in. Infringement on freedom, etc.
This. And speed up development of Star Trek style stun weapons that can be distributed in public places like fire extinguishers are. Put some Manhattan Project/Apollo money behind it.
Ok problem solver. It’s been explained over and over. There is nothing wrong with multiple threads in multiple forums each with a different emphasis. We want people to be able to hear about the facts of a breaking news incident whether it be a shooting, a natural disaster, a terrorist attack, or an alien invasion. Someplace were new facts can be shared, rumors squashed, maybe personal stories of people in the area, new sources shared… when three different debates break out all that gets lost. No one is stopping you from solving the world’s problems. You just have to do it in another thread where all the problem solvers can join together. If you feel the need to go through all this again, despite the fact that it’s clearly explained in the MPSIMS sticky and discussed many times, take it to ATMB. Just like anyone else, if you decide to go against the instructions that are clearly stated in the sticky it will be dealt with.
It should be pointed out that the First Amendment has some pretty absolutist language too. As in “Congress shall make no law…” and then enumerating the things to which that language applies.
This is the YouTuber who reported Nikolas Cruz’s shooter comments to the FBI, on being interviewed by the FBI today.
Fucktard!
I know you’re upset because kids don’t wear hats anymore and listen to the rock music instead of playing stickball, or whatever self-indulgent nonsense you want to spout in your endless carping about how the 60s ruined everything forever, but please just shut the fuck up and let the grown-ups talk. There are a lot of important issues to cover here: children who were shot, how to keep that from happening again, how to handle mental health problem, what the laws about guns should be, what the laws about guns are even allowed to be constitutionally, and so on. Your post is just masturbatory drivel and an excuse for you to whine about whatever angry hard-on you’ve got for hippies and fantasize about the magical halcyon time that came before them. This is grown-up time, though, and it would be nice to talk about important things without some tedious fuckwit throwing off a sophomoric, glurge-filled, utterly irrelevant bit of senile nonsense.
Exactly right. Every time one of these things happens, SA jumps on his soapbox and declares that it’s because these days, these dang kids just ain’t being brought up right. Bring up your kids “right”, give 'em all guns, and everything will be just peachy.
And whenever it’s pointed out that these rates of gun homicides – of which mass shootings are only a tiny part – don’t happen to anywhere near the same extent in other advanced democracies, SA either ignores the point or says sure they do, only instead of guns they use … ummm … oh, yeah, they use knives, hammers, cars, bows and arrows, sharpened pencils, toothpicks, etc. Except of course they don’t, and if they try, it doesn’t kill 17 people in a matter of seconds. It’s no wonder this fucker supported Trump.
Trump himself has come up with a brilliant solution to the problem (because, just like SA, he is a genius): since the killer was a known troublemaker, he should have been reported. Problem solved! This is how all of these idiots create the politically expedient delusion that “guns are not the problem”.
He’s a fucktard and there is nothing anyone can do to help him, but you did answer his delusional recollections of the 60s with facts. From the 1969 report you cited (PDF):
Earlier the fucking fucktard said it’s really important to do what he says, and bring them kids up right, because “think of the children”. Right! …
We like to state, as Americans, that we are exceptional. And we are. The numbers prove it. Read this: America’s unyielding plague of gun violence
No other nation suffers as we do because of school shootings; no other nation except ours has these kinds of mass murders; no other nation, with polling showing tremendous support for gun control laws, ignores popular sentiment so successfully at the behest of special interests, like the National Rifle Association – the NRA. **No other nation fails its children so spectacularly. **
(Emphasis mine.)
I read a CDC report once that assessed the incidence of gun-related deaths and injuries affecting children in about 13 first-world developed countries. The US had a higher rate of children being killed or injured by guns than the 12 other countries combined. Think of the children! Give 'em all guns, and bring 'em up right!