You’re right. I also just remembered Will Smith was also nominated for The Pursuit of Happyness.
Mad Max: Fury Road is an Australian film set in Australia. “This movie doesn’t have enough African-Americans in it” really isn’t a sensible complaint.
No I’m not wrong, because I haven’t been asked about Hispanics. And my answer to you is the same, they are probably also being marginalized by the Oscars.
You assumed that because I didn’t mention Hispanics that I’m fine with them being shut out of the Oscars, but I’m not. They are too big of a group to not have any representation. However, I will admit that I don’t know if there are any this year. The story has so far been about blacks and articles cite stats on how rare they’ve been and how they’ve been shut out this year. I haven’t read any articles yet that talked about Hispanics so there may be a lot this year, I don’t know. But don’t assume things just because I didn’t talk about it
Indian Americans and Asian americans are the highest achieving minorities in terms of both economics and staying out of prison. They achieved this in spite of being woefully unrepresented at the movies. If all the nominees for acting Oscars next year are black it will have no effect on the black community at all except for the bad effect of encouraging more black young people to go into acting.
I am getting the fact that young black men are more aggressive, by looking at the crime statistics which show that they are 3% of the population and commit about 30% of all violent crime in this country.
Your knowledge of kung fu movies is incomplete. For every peaceful kung fu master only trying to avenge the death of his master, there is an evil kung fu master who has an army of ninjas, all of which are asian.
That’s what you said. I hadn’t asked you about anything about any particular ethnic group and you responded with that. You made a mistake. Just accept it rather than wriggle.
Because I didn’t off the top of my head know how much hispanics make up the US. And also, my mind was on minorities like Native Americans, South East Asians, Muslims, etc. I forgot to consider hispanics.
And I specifically said its not the end all, be all. #73
So, not a fix, but a step in the right direction, and might help to mitigate some issues we have today.
As for asians,#129
You’re trying to create the false narrative that I think there’s a direct correlation between Oscar success and economic achievement. That’s misleading at best and a lie at worst. I already gave you the Doll Test. When a group of people has no representatives, or only negative representatives in media, it is detrimental to them in ways you can’t even imagine. However, there will still be successes despite that. Asians dominate some industries. Someone brought up African Americans and athletics. There’s a correlation but there’s also a many other factors. One thing I can say for sure is that its not a good thing, its demeaning and disheartening to think that no blacks were deserving of the Oscars for a second year in a row. Given their demographics, this kind of thing isn’t normal, it doesn’t just happen by accident. In statistics, if you have something so out of the ordinary, you cannot simply assume its part of a natural variation, it has a cause.
And courts are predisposed to punish them for the same offense as a white person much more harshly. Cops pull them over more, they are poorer as a whole and the poor tend to commit more violent crimes than richer people. Try again, none of that has to do with their race.
They never take off their masks, you don’t know what race or sex they are.
What are these ways? If there are specific harms being done then we should be able to measure things getting better or worse. Like how great things were in 2006 after five black actors received nominations and two won. Or how awful things were in 1986 after Benson was cancelled.
I can’t answer that. Life is too complex to be able to give you the direct answer that you seek. But ask yourself this: does the success of some minorities mean that his success resolves all issues among those minorities? When Obama was elected, lots of racists from the GOP claimed that proved racism was over. Laughably, that was a premature declaration, but they said it because they have an easy argument to make for the stupid GOP base: How can there be racism when the president is black? They’ve achieved everything, no need to help the millions of other black people who are impoverished because Obama is president.
In the Doll Test, black children saw themselves as ugly and whites as beautiful. They liked white dolls over black dolls because they see themselves reflected in the media negatively. Now the Oscars are basically saying that for two straight years, no movie a black person has done is as good as a white person’s. There’s no doubt this will lead to a number of blacks not trying to succeed in Hollywood, which will in turn lead to even less of works featuring blacks. But of course, we’ll have a few that will be inspired to take action and get into Hollywood to spite them. To you, that qualifies as a win I suppose
“Two straight years” is a very small sample size, you know. So small that it could easily be (though not necessarily is) explained by random chance.
Given the amount of blacks in Hollywood, I don’t think its a small sample size at all.
There were only 40 nominations in the past two years.
Over the past 15 years there were 300 nominations. Over that time span, black actors earned roughly proportional nominations and wins. (~10% of the nominations, 15% of the wins.)
This is pretty ridiculous. To me, the only people who truly care about this are rich actors. All this kind of stuff does is make blacks and whites hate each other more.
So if 40 and 2 years is a good sample size, then 300 and 15 years is even better yes?
And whatever your gut feeling is about the stats, 2 years on the trot is not a trend in the strict sense of the word. You think it signifies something because you’ve already made up your mind that there is something rotten in the state of Denmark.
I ask you, If there were 5 black nominees next year would you think something was fishy? If not, why not? Do you accept that it is ever possible to have no black nominations through pure chance? If not why not? if so, why is this years not acceptable?
Of course it doesn’t matter, except to racists who hate white people.
I don’t see that you’ve made your case
How many “Oscar worthy” movies were made in the last two years?
Of those - how many had non white people in the Oscar categories?
I don’t have any figures in front of me, and I’m not going to do the work - but at the very least to start providing any evidence for your contention shouldn’t you know
a) How many “non-whites” were there in the oscar categories
b) How many total movies were there considered with
c) Who do you think, specifically, was snubbed?
If I were a black actor I’d wonder after this shit if I’d really received a nomination or an Oscar on merit alone or to fulfill some dumb quota.
How is that any different from what regular black people (and most minorities, too) face in everyday life? You get a promotion–it was truly Affirmative Action. You get a decent job–diversity hire. Get into a good school–not on your merit alone. The only time (white) people think we’ve achieved anything is if we’re in sports, and even then it’s “well what about the white guy who can shoot real well?”
Black actors should be recognized for their artistic work at the Oscars. The only black person up for an award (that I know about, I’m more for the Snoop Dogg philosophy) is in the Best Song category, which of course was the only nomination (and win) a black person got last year. Do I think The Weeknd will win this year? No. But if he does, that’s cool too. He certainly earned it, so to speak.
Where are you getting those numbers? According to wiki, there have been 49 blacks nominatedin the last 15 years. Out of those, 17 have won. If we use that list of 17 categories, and estimate about 5 nominees per category, we get a total possible of 1275 nominations over the course of 15 years. Blacks have been 49/1275 = 3.8% of nominees, and 17/255 = 6.6% of winners. Of course the Oscars have more than those categories, there are currently 24, so there has actually been a possible 1800 nominations (24 cat. times 5 noms. times 15 years), so in actuality, blacks have been only 2.7% of nominees and 4.7% of winners. The difference is because there are 7 categories blacks have never even been nominated for. This is a lot less than your claim of 10% and 15%.
See above. There have been 48 categories in the past 2 years and 360 in the past 15. Blacks have fallen woefully short of their population because of disproportionate representation in Hollywood. And I’ve made up my mind because the facts support me. It is perfectly ok to have an unchanging mind if the facts point to one correct answer.
If there were 5 black nominees next year, I would definitely think something’s fishy. Out of 24 categories and an average of 5 nominees per, that gives a possible of 120 nominations. If blacks total 5 of those, it would be incredibly fishy and a continuation of racism. Given the amount of possible nominations, it would be incredibly unlikely to have, by chance, no black nominations. Of course, mathematically its possible, random lucks means you can get 100 heads in a row when you flip a coin that many times, but in the real world, its unlikely, statistically impossible even. That means your scenario next year would be also unacceptable, as is this year, and the year before it.
Given the percentage of blacks in America, I would expect random chance to produce around 20 black nominees out of 120, give or take a few. 0 is out of the question, so is 5.
Because this thread has been about the acting nominations, of which there are 20 per year and 300 in the past 15 years, because the acting nominations are the ones that get the press and people know about. If you are now including the races of every other Oscar category, well then I guess neither this year nor last year were “all-white” after all, as Common & John Legand won for Best Song last year, and The Weeknd is up for Best Song this year. (As well as Innaritu winning Best Director last year and also being nominated this year.)
We were discussing the acting oscars, if you want to bring in the other categories then that is another discussion and another baseline of representative proportions will have to be set.
So you’ve dodged, so I’ll rephrase. If next year there was a disproportionate over-representation of black actors, would you complain? if not, why not? Would you accept variation in one direction but not the other? For one ethnic group but not others?
What %age range of representation would satisfy you? Some ballpark figures at least please.