Yeah, it’s not that all of don’t have racist thoughts; it’s that some of us struggle with it and the Shodans of the world just run with it.
No, it’s more that there are kinds of people who liberals have trouble dealing with.
[ul][li]There are those who are accused of racism and admit it. Liberals can deal with that.[/ul][/li][ul][li]There are those who are accused of racism and deny it. Liberals can deal with that too.[/ul][/li][ul][li]There are those who are accused of racism and laugh at you. Liberals can’t deal with that.[/ul]I would have added a category of those who are not accused of racism, but there is nobody in that category.[/li]
The trouble comes in when you don’t see it, and just make it up. Sometimes that is even a better occasion, because you aren’t constrained by facts.
Regards,
Shodan
There’s a glaring omission in your list - people who are accused of racism who aren’t racist. Does that ever happen, even in your world?
It’s … *remarkable *to see open racism defended, and statements that it isn’t a good thing dismissed as a “liberal” thing. You’ve done it, though. Congratulations, I guess.
Do you believe all liberals who have accused someone of saying or doing something racist are dishonest in this way, or just some? If just some, how do you determine which ones are being dishonest, and which ones are genuinely trying to confront and challenge racism?
Blaming other people for making you feel bad about being in the wrong, rather than recognizing it and correcting it, is pretty much the definition of snowflakeism.
Fairly decent list. What about those who say or do something racist, and then when called on it, complain that “Liberals are snowflakes” or “The world is too PC!”? Or “Hippies ruined the country in 1968!”
There are, too, those who actually *support *racism, and are *proud *to say so. Some of them, I’m sure, are fine people.
Are you one of them?
That’s probably it, I think. That’s the question that’s going to get Shodan to finally get up and proudly admit to being a supporter of racism, after faking it all these years.
Very convincingly done, much like all your other comments.
Are you proud of your racism or ashamed of it, snowflake?
What makes you think he’s been faking it all these years?
Not only is that incorrect, it is also contradicted by your own introductory sentence to your post. You start saying that there are 3 categories that liberals can’t deal with, then admit that we can deal with the first two just fine.
As far as the last. Well, you are correct in that there is no good way to deal with people who are openly racist and hateful. But that is not because of some sort of flaw in liberal ideology, that is because hateful people are hard to deal with.
Bigots like yourself have a good way of dealing with such hateful people. You join in the hate. If you think that getting along with hateful people because you are full of hate yourself makes you a better person, then have at. Just keep in mind that you fool no one, and everyone sees you for the hateful fuck you are. You can play little games, and stick your finger in your impish dimples with a tiny voiced, “Who me?”, and you will make your fellow haters laugh, and you may make some decent people upset, may even make some overly sensitive people who are upset when they say such naked displays of hatred cry. If upsetting decent people, and drinking the tears of liberals is your goal, then getting together with your fellow hateful friends sounds like a good night out.
There may be times when someone perceives something as being racially biased when it is not. A productive discussion can be had there, if people are willing to listen, and not immediately become defensive, or call the other a racist for pointing out perceived racial bias. It may be possible the accuser was wrong, and it may be possible the accusee was operating under a small amount of racial bias that they had not noticed, both could be right, both could be wrong. The simple, and wrong, answer is to simply shut down and refuse to accept the possibility of any flaws in your interactions with others.
Nah, the trouble comes when you play little games that you are stupid enough to think actually fool anyone. Of course, you may yourself be fooled by them, and you may even think that the hate that spews from you is equivalent to when people ask you to stop being such a hateful piece of shit, and that being asked to stop acting in a racially biased way is as bad as being persecuted for your skin tone.
You don’t have to admit it, it is completely unnecessary, everyone knows, like admitting that you have a nose on your face.
The only reason to admit it is you have any desire to be honest with yourself.
I don’t expect any such thing.
That may actually be it for some people - the attraction of tribalism, of being one of the crowd who provides you reassurance, can be much stronger than any concern that some outsiders to The Tribe are getting treated unfairly.
The frequent claim that “You’re the real bigots! Opposing bigotry is bigoted against us bigots! Bigotry is a belief system and you’re intolerant of it!” is always amusing. When it isn’t just sad.
All this going on about “fooling anyone” or not is a misread. It’s really all about amusement, at this point.
How certain are you about your own biases and possible bigotries? Are you certain that you treat people the same regardless of their race? Do you think most people with racist or bigoted views know it, or are many ignorant of it?
I’ll note that I’m not certain that I don’t have any racist inclinations, and I’m not certain that I treat everyone the same. I hope I do, and I strive to, but I don’t think it’s possible to be fully certain of all of one’s own biases, including racial biases.
That may even be true. Fortunately, it doesn’t apply. I am not in the wrong, and I don’t feel bad.
I’m supposed to feel guilty and admit it, or defensive and deny it. I don’t do either of those things - I laugh at you. I’m not following the script, which is why you can’t deal with it, except to try the same thing again and see if it works this time (while collecting the virtue signaling and self-righteousness points I mentioned earlier).
It’s fine - this is the Pit, and no one expects that anyone (least of all you) to behave like an adult hereabouts. What fun would that be?
Regards,
Shodan
This is probably true, and relates to the virtue signaling and self-righteousness already mentioned. Your desire for self-justification outweighs considerations of fairness.
Regards,
Shodan
Maybe it’s because it’s the Pit, Shodan, but it sure seems like insulting you is a lot more likely to earn a response than attempts to sincerely engage with you. If you decide you’re interested in engagement, I hope you’ll respond to my questions on the last page.
How are you being treated unfairly?
TBH, these are probably questions I spend much less time contemplating than you do, what with other priorities and interests. Different strokes. But even to the limited extent that I could be interested in discussing this, it probably wouldn’t be in a thread like this one, sorry.
You call treating people as equals as virtue signalling, what do you call your displays of “patriotism” where you can’t stand even the thought that anyone could possibly be the slightest bit critical of the United States on the Fourth of July?