That is good news. I wonder if it means more New York anti-vaxxers will claim a medical exemption, like so many Californians apparently have.
I’m not sure I support having the state approve all medical exemptions. It might be better to have audits triggered by docs exceeding a certain number of exemptions issued, in order to detect practices attempting to circumvent the law and profit by writing wholesale exemptions.
Actress Marcia Cross has come out publicly in support of HPV vaccination, after she and her husband were both diagnosed with HPV-associated cancers.
I cheated and got paid to take it - I occasionally guinea pig for a medical testing lab in Rhodes Island, I think I got paid $250 to get the vaccination, and 2 follow up visits and bloodwork to check titration.
I self identify as human, I just happen to also have been diagnosed as autistic. I certainly don’t let the diagnosis color my interactions with society other than it helped my mom identify what training I needed to ge to function with the rest of the world. It mostly worked, I can fake being “normal” quite well.
They would treat it with thoughts, prayers, homeopathy and other woo crap …
OK, half Amish [my Mom rumspringa’d during WW2] and I am autistic.
You would not believe the expression on my infusion nurse when the lady in the next seat over was going on about her various detoxes - every week after she got the pump removed she would do a 2 day detox :eek:
Well, it in itself is not dangerous exactly. What it can do is impact how you interact with the real world and other people. If you are high on the spectrum it may just make you unsuitable to carry on a relationship, or well paying job so you are at risk because of nutritional based health issues [crap diet of junk because you have to live in a grocery store desert so you end up with high blood pressure that destroys your circulation and kidneys] or you are at risk of being mugged or otherwise attacked because you live in a crap neighborhood. Lower functioning you have issues talking to people about things so you go undiagnosed for something til ti gets bad enough that you die. Even lower still, you have no meaningful interaction to the point that you have outbursts if someone moves something in your environment or tries interacting with you by touching you, your support system ages out and you end up placed in a care facility where you get abused or ignored until you end up dying of something that could have been treated if you could interact like a ‘normal person’.
Look, I really do understand this shit, you know how hard it is for me to walk up to a total stranger to ask for help or directions? To talk to a nurse or doctor that I have never met before, it took tome for me to get to know my PCP and I dread moving and having to find someone new, and I adore my oncology team and I am now stuck in a 5 years cycle of a port flush and heparin every 6 weeks, bloodwork every 12 weeks, and someone sticking a scope up my ass every 6 months and now I am going to have to find a new team … I want to curl up in bed and ignore the world. I have food issues on top of the ones left over from chemo and radiation - like if I have a soft food like cooked white fish [cod] and as I chew, I discover a bone. I can’t take the bone out and finish the mouthful, I have to spit out the entire mouthful, I vomit if I try to swollow and it can be bad enough that I have to discard the entire portion. [texture issues] I have taste issues to certain foods, and even the smell will make me nauseated enough to not be able to eat anything. Skin feel - coarse sheets feel like sandpaper, coarse fabric in clothing is the same - in hospital I ended up in full length pajama pants and a long sleeved tshirt and socks to be able to sleep … and I am not particularly unusual for someone on the spectrum.
Jessica Biel has sure stepped in the shit.
Idiot.
Speaking of New York, the Waldorf Schools seem to be a moron magnet. I have never seen a denser level of stupid anti-vaxx stuff, and I’ve been on Twitter.
Some gems:
Oh, some of your students spreading diseases to others has nothing to do with you, idiot?
I’m happy to report that the very next line in the article was:
with a description of the well know Danish study on exactly this. Yay, Times!
But my favorite was this one:
Someone not clear on the concept. I’m pretty sure Buddhists in general are not this stupid. I can just see the Dalai Lama slapping his forehead and thinking about converting to atheism.
Too bad that the ones who suffer are going to be the kids. Wouldn’t be great if the kids stayed healthy and these morons all get a nice healthy does of the measles?
One wonders if her children need to start displaying signs of malnutrition before she gives them food…
My concern is that there’d be too many false exemptions before these doctors would be caught. What happens to those docs that exceed their quota of exemptions? Would they go on a no-fly list of some sort? Would the medical exemptions already issued by those docs be revoked?
I’m asking sincerely. I respect your opinion.
Waldorf schools and a number of parents who send their kids there do tend to be dangerously infected with antivax stupidity.
As for this part of the Times story:
it should be noted that while there have indeed been studies directly comparing health outcomes of vaccinated and unvaccinated children (and finding no significant differences other than that unvaccinated kids are far more likely to suffer from vaccine-preventable diseases), these studies are not the professed holy grail of a coterie of antivaxers who say they want a large-scale prospective study, in which researchers recruit families at the start and collect baseline data on all the children, then follow them for years afterwards to determine health outcomes. All of the published studies I know of that have compared vaccinated vs. unvaccinated kids have been retrospective studies, which by necessity have involved relatively small numbers of unvaccinated children (since they are limited in the overall population).
There are serious problems designing a massive prospective study, including difficulty of precisely matching the groups of kids (for instance, unvaccinated kids would likely cluster in affluent areas where other factors affect health outcomes). Much more importantly, it would be highly unethical to encourage the establishment of a large cohort of unvaccinated children and enable their being subjected to preventable disease risks.
Rest assured that no matter how many vaxed-vs.-unvaxed studies end up being done, antivaxers will always find a way to ignore and denounce the results. It’s been that way with the vast amount of research finding no connection between vaccination and neurodevelopmental disorders.
It may be Greek, not Buddhist, but someone should read “The Grasshopper and the Ant” to this nitwit.
Good points. I’d also wonder how anyone could get the exemptions in a central location to be checked. I’d think they’d go to the schools, which don’t need any more paperwork, like forwarding them to the state.
The California bill would require doctors to send exemption forms to the state health department, which would enter the information, including the doctor’s name, into a computer database. I assume schools would have access to such a list or parents of exempt kids would get some sort of documentation so they could still attend school. Doctors’ offices would get more paperwork, which would give pro-vaccine docs yet another reason to resent their anti-vaxx colleagues who’ve been complicit in vaccination evasion tactics.
The line from the parent who did not want to impede her kids’ soul just made me throw up a bit in mine.
Your soul, or your mouth? I suppose either would be no fun.
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And I’m hearing Little Richard.
Right now, I’m tired of walking. There’s a car parked on the side of the road. Grand Theft Auto ? I might go to jail ? Fuck that. I’m living in the present, don’t infringe on my freedom of religion. I’m jacking this ride to escape Samsara.
- People who insist on taking the bus from New York to California are only hurting themselves.
Technically it is. It’s pretty noxious shit, actually - prevents cells from replicating, which is pretty bad considering you sort of need a new cell or two in some important organs, once in a while. It’s just more noxious to the cancer than to its host (hopefully).
But I mean, alcohol is also poison, and look at all the great things it has helped bring to the world ! What I mean is, poison’s gotten a bad rap over the centuries, even become a pejorative in some circles. Don’t fall for the propaganda !
My favorite folks are the ones that say “chemotherapy is poison” while they promote some quack’s treament, which is a chemical that supposedly is effective in the therapy of cancer, but is not chemotherapy, no sir.
She’s certainly facilitating her childrens’ souls’ journey to the afterlife.
Indeed - I’ve heard it said that “The way chemotherapy works is that it kills the cancer slightly faster than it kills you.” Nasty and deeply unpleasant while you’re going through it, but hopefully worth it in the long run.