Oh yeah, I’ll always take a bit of pain and/or fatigue over a major illness. (Even if the vaccine doesn’t make you immune, it’ll reduce the severity of the illness.)
As a Christian I don’t understand the hatred for vaccines. God gave us the brains to concoct something to keep us from getting sick, and so many are rejecting it, I don’t think we are supposed to wait for God’s hand to be waved to perform a miracle, we aren’t supposed to turn away from things others have made to help us.
God can and does work miracles, but we aren’t supposed to command those, and to me turning away from something that is proven to work is being lazy.
The objection doesn’t come from the Bible. It comes primarily from Christian nationalists. Within that ideology, you want control of your congregation, and the easiest way is to keep them ignorant. That means having a skepticism of science, and that includes medicine and vaccines in particular.
One story I read said that they had 11 other children, all of them unvaxed. IDK how many are biological, vs. adopted.
I’m also surprised that they were able to find a pediatric cardiologist who would go along with this kind of thing in the first place.
Go along with what? I’d assume the doc explained all vaxes were required and that they would eventually comply to save their child.
There should be a warning sign in the waiting room of such physicians, on behalf of immunosuppressed and other vulnerable patients.
But it’s highly doubtful that happens.
Think of it as the equivalent effect on your immune system as exposure to multiple germs and viruses for 20 minutes on public transit during rush hour or 5 minutes in a room with kindergarteners.
A few years ago my wife and I got flu, COVID, and pneumonia vaxes at the same time and we had no issues at all
I had flu and COVID booster at the same time a few months back, and had no problem other than an arm that was a bit more sore than usual. The convenience made that worthwhile.
Yes, this. Resentment of ALL knowledge-based experts is fundamental to, well, fundamentalism. And it’s very easy to stir up resentment of “elites” in the less-educated, as Republicans have known for a while.
About religion and health care: Metallica singer James Hetfield, who was raised in the Christian Scientist cult and saw many people suffer or die unnecessarily as a result, has said, “If a deer knew how to fix a broken leg, it would.”
I just participated in a trial for a new RSV vaccine. It involved mRNA. I don’t know if I got the placebo (though I suspect I did). I’ll have to wait for several more months until the trial is ended to know if I still need a real shot.
Monitor yourself for emergent super-powers.
Magneto-like powers are commonly reported.
Dang. If you get those from the placebo, just imagine what will happen with the real thing!
How did you get in a testing program for vaccines. I thought Secretary Brain Worm canceled all that nonsense.
This worries me, cause you know, there is nothing else to be worried about right now…
Between the gutting of US government health agencies, and the priorities of the leadership, compounded with bird flu destroying egg production, will there even be a flu vaccine next year?
Most (some?) flu vaccine is produced in chicken eggs that are inoculated with the flu virus. This takes millions of eggs every year. I know it isn’t the only way to make the vaccine, but is there anyone left preparing for the possibility there won’t be enough eggs, and other methods need to be ramped up?
My searches on this are annoying, because many of the CDC pages are gone. The flu’s only 1/10th as deadly as Covid (or whatever) so I guess I shouldn’t worry.
Even if the CDC won’t be involved, there are labs across the world that help develop flu vaccines, which can be used in the US, though that would also depend on the relevant agencies approving their use. So that’s certainly a legitimate worry, especially with somebody like RFK Jr at the helm of most of the relevant agencies.
The Dept of Agriculture has stepped up, though, and issued a conditional license for a flu vaccination to give to chickens. It’s a sign of the times that this may be our best hope. And of course it is not public health but business interests that have driven this consideration. I would say ‘economic interests’ but there’s no economic interest in millions of sick people, either, yet…
About a third or maybe a little less (?) of flu vaccine production does not rely on chicken eggs, but that still leaves a lot. And it’s only that high because we’ve been trying for the last 2 or 3 decades to move away from relying so heavily on chicken eggs. So, yes, it’s been a concern for years and even an acute concern this last year, which I imagine got some fires lit on vaccinating birds, even if people are loathe to get the shots themselves.
Actually Christian Science explicitly DOES permit the setting of broken bones by doctors (or other qualified medical personnel). It’s right there in the founder’s writings, spelled out specifically. (How Hetfield couldn’t have known that if he was actually raised in the religion, I couldn’t say. Maybe his parents never looked at the writings.)
But vaccines: correct. You’re not supposed to get them.
I didn’t know that. However, many CS practitioners probably didn’t do that either.
The Jehovah’s Witness interpretation of the Bible also bans blood transfusions, but some JWs will consent to having them given to children who are not old enough to speak up, or even for themselves if they are incapacitated. AFAIK, they do not have issues with vaccines.
That is certainly possible. The ‘exception for bone-setting’ isn’t really logically compatible with the rest of the religion’s position on medical care, so I could see some people failing to notice it.
The ‘children shouldn’t be held to the same standard’ is in use by some in Christian Science, too, by the way. But not by all–hence the many legal cases over the years, with parents sued for withholding care.
This is all not really connected with the current crop of anti-vaxxers, by the way. THEY are all about “I do my own research” and “no uppity scientist can tell ME anything.” CS is more about ‘you have to get your thinking aligned with God’s’ and nothing to do with resentment of smart people. (Bit of a side-topic, for sure, but then we are in the Pit.)
Given that the schadenfreude thread is currently debating open-face versus closed sandwiches, your sin is merely venial, my son. Say three “Hail Cecils” then go and sin no more.
ETA: No, wrong thread, it’s the “I Pit ‘Cafe Society’ People”; Schadenfreude is currently hotly debating whether driving a Tesla bought several years ago makes one a Nazi.