Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children

Those grifting off antivax fearmongering assume their opponents are just as corrupt and greedy as they are.

I was taught that most of our vitamin K is manufactured in the gut bacteria, and it takes several days after birth for the bowel to be adequately colonized with this bacteria. Since vitamin K is a fat-soluble vitamin, that it would stay in the body for a long time makes sense.

(Anyone remember Xenical? There were actually some people who stayed on it long enough to have vitamin K deficiencies.)

I posted back in January

If they didn’t get the higher reimbursement, many doctors couldn’t afford to provide vaccinations anymore.

Yeah. The true epidemic is “projection.”

Right, that’s the reality. But MAHA influencers don’t make bank out of presenting reality—the “they’re getting rich off of vaccinations” story is much juicier.

A favorite of antivaxers is the meme about physicians being paid bonuses by insurance companies to vaccinate kids, which in their minds is evil.

What they’re citing actually was a Blue Cross regional plan meant to encourage high vaccination rates, not a nationwide program.

And what they always miss is that the insurer reimbursed extra for high vaccination rates because vaccinated kids are healthier, resulting in fewer claims and more profit for the insurer.

I can attest as a primary care doctor I no longer stock vaccines except for tetanus/diphtheria/pertussis. I used to stock pneumonia but it was costing more than the reimbursement. I would lose money on every shot if I hadn’t been able to make up the difference with an administration fee.

Take the shingles vaccine for example. Everyone should have two doses at age 50. I have to buy a minimum of 10 shots. The current price is $2550. If I could buy in bulk like the pharmacies I could get it for $1970 but I would have to buy a lot more doses. If I want to give the shots I have to price competitively with the pharmacies which charge at most $250 per shot. I can charge an additional $20 for administration and patients will pay for the convenience. Therefore I can make $15 a shot if I use every one. (Not factoring in the cost of alcohol wipes, bandages, gloves and staff salaries). If I only use 9 shots before they expire I can only charge $2430 so I lose $120. For each additional dose I don’t use I lose more money. Note that this only applies to cash paying patients. Current insurance reimbursement is up to $197 per shot so I lose $50 on each vaccine I give. If you were running a business would you stock shingles vaccine? More important, can you show me how I am making so much money by pushing vaccines.

Easy. You are lying because you are part of the Big Pharma conspiracy. Everything’s easy when I can dismiss any information I don’t like!

But seriously, what’s the expiry on a shingles vaccine ie how long can you keep a stock before you have to throw them if you haven’t used them? Presumably not very long?

Expiration is definitely less than a year. The worst is TB tests. They come in a single 15 dose vial that has to be discarded 30 days after opening. I only was doing 1-2 a year.

Not to mention the employees’ time for preparing, administering, charting, and billing for it. If you could order single doses, carrying it WOULD make more sense.

I’m assuming your practice is adults-only?

Yes, 16 and up.

I got the full suite as a young child, and MMR was given at school and required on pain of expulsion.

I still managed to contract mumps, thanks Mum for sending me to play with the local kid who had it… :).

I missed out on the chicken pox vaccine, and managed to catch that twice (again, thanks Mum) but the second bout was much, much more mild than the first. The main symptom was boredom, as obviously I could not go to school, or see my friends.

When my wife had our first child, no fewer than 5 medical professionals, from the midwife up to the surgeon who did the caeserian, asked if we planned to vaccinate.

Of course, we were; I live in a 3rd world country with infant mortalality rates around 25 / 1000, a risk which was way, way too high for me.

Ha, what about your secret contracts with big health insurers that give you $1000 for every child vaccine administered, your Pharma stock options and weekly payments from the CDC slush fund that RFK Jr. hasn’t found out about yet?

We’re onto you and your poormouthing. :face_with_symbols_on_mouth:

It’s a gateway drug, they claim you make all your money on the lifelong treatment of the chronic illnesses caused by vaccines.

Yes, the ones that only seem to affect people of certain political persuasions.

I think the ‘anti-vax’ group are just people affraid of needles.

They are morons. They are scared of their own shadows. It fits.

Don’t forget the brain-control nano chips you inject with the “vaccine.” Surely they’re incentivized?

Interesting article about RFJ Jr running an inquiry into vaccines in NYT today (gift link)

Quite likely the inquiry will produce the result that RFK Jr has pre-ordained, or at the very least it will be spun that way. Then for the next few decades it will be trotted out by anti-vaxxers as evidence that a huge inquiry by the biggest health agencies in the world found that vaccines were dangerous.

We are so screwed. Well, I’m not. And neither is my immediate family and friends (certain weird cousins excepted). But humanity…

It’ll be exacerbating the “two-tier” aspect of public health in the US. We already have very different health outcome patterns for people who can afford reasonable levels of healthcare and those who can’t. Now we’re adding to that a group of voluntarily sicker and poorer people who were frightened of a boogeyman.

What I still don’t get is how these anti-vaxxers rationalize their belief that a vaccine against a disease is liable to give you some mysterious unrelated condition that the disease itself won’t give you. A vaccine is just a weakened form of a pathogen; it’s not doing anything to your body that the naturally-occurring “wild” pathogen itself doesn’t do, usually in much more virulent form.

So how can they imagine they’re getting autism from the measles vaccine, say, but not from getting actual measles?

I’ve heard since the 1980s that the heel stick done on newborn babies, to test for PKU and other metabolic diseases, was actually the implantation of a microchip. I had an opportunity to ask some OB nurses if this was true; they said it wasn’t, but I already knew that and they did too, and it wasn’t the first time they had been asked.

They’re just going to say “from the other stuff included with the vaccine”. Once they trust other anti-vaxxers ahead of the medical establishment, they can’t be reached.