Have you ever seen the arrogance of a burger flipper? The way they look at you as you place your order, knowing they, and only they, can make that burger just right. A touch of mayo, a blob of ketchup and pickles, you don’t want pickles???
Why the very thought of you not wanting pickles makes them squirm, for they are the burger masters, the lords of skillet, the rulers of the spatula. While you are nothing more then someone passing the money over the counter to get something to allow you to live, food. Food prepared by them, nutrients your body wants, the savory smell you cannot do without. Yes they are arrogant, you can see it in there beady eyes as they duck below the counter, spitting on your burger.
Maybe it’s that there’s so much public ignorance of what engineers do, and what they have to do to become engineers, that they perceive the need to set the record straight. This entails explaining how difficult the degree is, and, if applicable, the PE exam, so it may come across as arrogant.
No, but a few are, just as with every group. PERRO68, who was here a few years ago only to drop into a couple of engineering threads, I thought was pretty contemptuous of non-engineers.
And I’m not objecting to the letter of the answer. I agree that you’re not an engineer just by being a member of the Corps of Engineers, but I daresay that krisolov was a bit less clueless than PERRO68 implied there. You can’t have an engineering officer standing over every noncom in the Corps telling him what bolt to put where. The noncoms must have to have at least some rudimentary understanding of where the bolts go, I would think.
pizzabrat, I think you’re way out of line.
Yeah sure, sometimes engineers get a God Complex like doctors, but they do a damn good job keeping the train on the tracks and the steam engine from blowing up.
Cut them some slack
Gaining engineering knowledge and experience is a hard won thing.
I means developing a rigorous discpline in logical thought and reasoning, and it means having to actually prove things or be shot down badly.
Anyone working an a field where such things are absolutely necessary understands the differance between having an opinion and having knowledge.
It is very frustrating when you try to get a certain technical point across to someone who cannot be bothered to understand the absolute basics, even when given an analogy a scholloy could understand, and that person wilfully fials to grasp any of the salinet points.
It gets worse when the unenlightened one keeps asking ‘why’ without reason, and ‘spoon feed me twenty or thirty years of experience’ within the limitations of a single post on a message board.
When engineers talk, they could use jargon, but oten there are so many fields and so many overlapping areas, that one engineers will find it works well enough to explain their specialism when talking to another, its not just professional respect, it is a way of understanding who is likely to know what they are talking about.
If you are not of such a disciplined background, you cannot hope to understand why some things are and why they are not possible without putting in at least some effort on your part, and wondeful as the internet is, it will take some independant study on your part.
That might seem too much like hard work, engineers do it all the time, its called ‘keeping up to date’, and to those who just want an instant fix of knowledge without any of the effort, you come across as childish, ignorant and lazy.
For those who do make some effort, it is greatly appreciated, engineers are always having to justify their stance to managers who have business degrees but not a thing about rationality.
We used to run diesel generators that would use up lots of lubricating oil, used it by the ton.
When we placed an order for a couple hundred more tons, our accountant administrators asked wether we could do without the oil and what did we need it for!!!
Even after explaining, they could not understand why we needed more than enough to fill a few ambulances(This was in a hospital)
It was only when we asked the accountantants wether the hospital needed the electricity and the heating that they began to slightly understand.
Any engineer on this board would look at that last and shrug their shoulders in recognition.
It would be interesting to if a few engineers put a few of their stories about idiot managers here, then you might understand why engineers are sometimes a little sharp with their remarks.
“What’s the problem with the project”
“Something you have never heard of, ineracts with something you don’t understand and stops something doing something you wouldn’t realise it needed to work”
Engineers get well sick of such folk.
We’re not arrogant, we’re just healthily self-aware that we’re smarter than all you artsy-craftsies.
Sinjin (Engineer, Phd, pilot, Warrior owner)

Wahoo! I’m in a pit thread!
I see I finally made it too. However, pizzabrat is such an impotent poster that he failed to rupture my Pit hymen (it’s true, I checked). I’ll still consider myself to be a Pit virgin.
I’m not an engineer, but my dad and my brother are. What does that make me?

I’m not an engineer, but my dad and my brother are. What does that make me?
The black sheep?

The black sheep?
Watch out for you know who.
I see I finally made it too. However, pizzabrat is such an impotent poster that he failed to rupture my Pit hymen (it’s true, I checked). I’ll still consider myself to be a Pit virgin.
Damn, you’re right. I’d forgotten to check mine.
I’d say pizzabrat deserves all the condescension, insults and scorn thrown his/her way.
I am an engineer. I think that engineers are not made, we’re born the way we are, and it’s often interpreted very differently by others than how we see ourselves.
In general, I’m a much more laid back person than a lot of people assume, it’s just that I have a blunt, simplistic manner of saying things that comes off as being arrogant or a self-important asshole. It’s just second nature to me to do stuff as efficient as I can, which is something that my current coworkers have gotten used to. I’m the only engineer on staff, and it took them a while to realize that although I am often staring at one problem, I am listening to them describe their problem and I will fix it, and then I show thumbs-up and they say ‘OK’.
It’s hard to explain to people. When describing something I have expertise in, I just explain it in as few words as possible. It would never occur to me to try not to sound like a smart-ass, because to me I’m just being logical and efficient. Talking to non-engineers is almost like speaking a foreign language.

I’m not an engineer, but my dad and my brother are. What does that make me?
Thick-skinned and impervious to sarcasm?
There definately are arrogant engineers out there, just as there are arrogant historians, arrogant artists, and arrogant chefs. Possesion of any skill (or even imagined posession of skill) can lead some people to seem or even be arrogant. On this messageboard it seems to me that the most arrogant people are not engineers, or at least give no indication of being engineers.
One week from tomorrow I will officially be an engineer’s wife.
Spending the past three and a half years with him I can see both sides of this argument. He is majorly intelligent and when he was in school I would look at his homework and it was so complicated I couldn’t tell if the book was right side up or upside down. Yet he held a 4.0 and always made the dean’s list. So yeah, he is smart and earned the right to shout it to the world.
However… he is very intolerant of lesser educated people (except for me, he simply teases me about my dingbat ways, but he loves me ) Other people he isn’t so kind to.
He is not a member here, but I see him wandering around the SDMB debate board quite a bit, and I dread the day he see’s an argument worth signing up for. It could get ugly :eek: .

Anytime you notice a poster’s inflated sense of intelligence and rationality, his next paragraph will always reveal explicitly that he’s an engineer. You’ll never miss them, they’ll always let you know. The engineer title is supposed to explain their apparent genius and logic; of course it only explains the ego.
Selection bias. Whenever you come across somebody being a condecending jerk, if they don’t turn out to be an engineer, you forget ever seeing the post because it doesn’t fit your expectation.
It would be trite to point out I’m an engineer, I suppose.
Watch out for you know who.
Hey, I saw his pic - he’s not bad for a sheep-felcher…
“Baaaah”

Thick-skinned and impervious to sarcasm?
Where does a physics major go in all this?
Yes, in exactly the same manner that I noticed the sky is blue.
How many liberal arts students does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Just one, but he or she will get three credit hours for it!
Flippyfly - BSME