Right. Because the PE Exam is 10% genius, 10% logic, and 90% ego.*
I see two reasons for the OP: Either pizzabrat is seeing the studious people he used to push around suddenly getting more money and respect than he does. Or he has the worst case of pocket protector envy that I have ever witnessed.
Which is why managing IT people is like herding cats. I prefer to be one of the cats than the manager. It can be a lot of grief.
Jim
Considering what CoE’s design, there’s relatively little need for us to have a licensed person sign off on a design. A bad processor design isn’t going to collapse in the middle of a hotel one day after years of function and kill a hundred people. Even if there was a PE exam for CoE, I probably wouldn’t take it since there’s no problem getting a job in my field without it.
I don’t find that there’s anything wrong with that, nor would I be disappointed if there never was a PE exam for CoEs.
I would like to apologize if that is a serious Fuck you. I was just playing along in the spirit of the thread. I am impressed by mathmeticians, most of them get math in a way I never will, but that is why they are mathmeticians and I am an (aspiring) engineer.
Of course, on our campus one of the games we play is looking at a person and guessing wether they are a homeless person or a graduate math major. 
Usually the math majors are cleaner, but they both mumble to themselves all the time and seem to be living in another universe.
Of course, now somebody homeless is probably going to post a fuck you. Oh well, just chalk it up to being an arrogant engineer.
And don’t forget about the different disciplines. For example, I have often heard industrial engineering (IE) referred to as “Imaginary Engineering” – due mainly to the fact that it encompasses things like ergonomics and work force management – getting dangerously close to things that are measured qualitatively.
I don’t mean to nitpick, and I might be misunderstanding you, but you do know that quotes are not used for emphasis, right? They are used to indicate that what you’re saying is not exactly what you mean, or to actually quote someone else. That’s what makes it so funny when you see a sign mis-using quotes -
If it’s not actually fresh, what is it?
(I understand now, Steve. It’s all become clear. )
All of you do a lot of qvetching in here about how your title is abused, but I don’t think that really gets you anywhere. You need to fight ignorance in the public at large, and not just by telling people at cocktail parties what an engineer really is. There should be some sort of media campaign, the way Realtors™ do. The abuse of ‘engineer’ comes not only from ludicrous efforts at self-aggrandizement, like with sanitation ‘engineers’, but from the fact that the word has the inertia of centuries of being used to denote all and sundry with a flair for technology, beginning way before there was such a thing as the ABET, or engineering schools as we understand the term today.
Pizzabrat, I could post a lengthy explanation of “white van at the corner” syndrome, explain at length how your two examples have little or no rational connection to the premise of the OP, and expound on your lack of creativity with your pitiful whiney pitting based on a widely-held stereotype. Instead, I’ll keep it short and sweet:
All generalizations are false, including this one. If you have trouble figuring out how this statement applies to your OP, ask an engineer, logician, mathematician, philosopher, or just about anyone smarter than you.
There are arrogant people in all walks of life, but the “arrogance” you percieve in many engineers may well be their social insecurities showing through.
Could there, just perhaps, be a tinge of jealousy in your attitude? Did you get turned down by an engineering school? Does your VCR blink 12:00? Did an engineer beat you up and take your lunch money? Or are you just a moron?
Does anyone else find it amusing that the Google ad at the bottom of this page is for humor writing workshops?
Some of the contracts I work on do involve potential injury and loss of life should a piece of computer hardware - or software - fail. I don’t know that a PE exam makes one God damn bit of difference whatsoever in the ability of the person doing the design/coding, but I do know that when a contract calls for all designs to be carried out by PEs, then I do it that way, or turn down the work.
I will not participate in a debate on the validity of this or not, since I’m not asserting anything one way or another. I am only reporting fact. I am certain the experiences of others will present further facts along different lines.
It’s a bad habit of mine, mea culpa. That’s one reason I have and employ an Editor.
I only gave examples of how it was watered down. I was not Pitting it nor qvetching about it. In fact, for the most part I’ve actually given up caring. I was reporting that there was a pecking order that people bought into.
I Agree. But they are pretty smarmy.
The essense of both posts (as I interpret them):
The first:
“Did you enjoy the super bowl?”
"As an engineer (I’m one), I thought the Super Bowl was awesome!
The Second:
Well…res ipsa loquitur
Of course it was serious, us mathermaticians have no sense of humour.
And I’m homeless.
Fuck you.
Then in the interest of being factual, in the future I would not put Computer Engineering into quotes unless you do exactly the same for every other branch of engineering.
Around here, putting something like that in quotes has been more than once taken as a slam on its validity, as in the many times someone has used ‘“Christian”’ in a thread to describe someone who calls themselves a Christian, but is not really Christian (e.g. Fred Phelps). I appreciate your mea culpa.
I’m not just trying to be mean and nitpicky, but I have enough effort in explaining that no, a CoE is not the same as MCSE. The less people who place doubt on the validity of CoE as real engineering, the better.
Oh for crying out loud, you’re still doing this? I already explained I wasn’t calling your degree into doubt.
I’ve been “around here” for two years before you were, and one thing we don’t do around here is to keep beating a dead horse and picking on someone when they’ve been asked for clarification over a perceived slight, and polite clarification has been provided explaining no slight was intended.
And yet, here you are, being just that. Nowhere did I imply that there was equivalency between a degree in Computer Engineering and the MSCE - in fact, I did not denigrate the Computer Engineering degree versus a Mechanical Engineering degree or any other degree that anyone may have, whether honorary or earned. This was clarified, actually.
By all means, keep beating this dead horse and trying to irritate/antagonize someone that was not and is not in any way denigrating you as a person, your profession, your degree, or your education. That sounds productive. :rolleyes:
Not the degree, just what it stands for.
Right, nobody around here has ever beaten a dead horse before. Thought you’d been around here long enough to know how things work?
In that qualified way in which you point out that no matter what, you’re still the king of the hill around here, since no CoE can do the jobs that you hire people to do.
Well I’m sure it’ll be at least as productive as that post of yours that I responded to wherein yoru whole point seemed to be proving that you do deserve to have your ass kissed for how smart you are.
I wasn’t singling you out; it’s just something I notice generally.
Hope you feel better soon!
That’s the guy.
He’s a civil engineer? He doesn’t seem very civil at all. Most of us never killed anyone, never tried to spread terror, so I don’t get the reference.