WTF?
I just got a database error from SDMB, so maybe vBulletin is screwing up?
Sorry, It was just the audio from the “Pulp Fiction” quote. It seems to work for me, it’s an attempt at humor, seeing as the dope just got a few “believers”.
sitchensis- it worked for me.
I have to say that I used to work in a job that relied purely on empirical evidence- something to do with investigation. I have trouble believing in anything without a solid foundation… but I do have a sneaky envy for those who have blind faith… must be nice in their world…???
You know, condescending and sarcastic statements in paragraphic form literally are a waste of time. Shorter statements with greater meaning have more effect. if you want to be angry or a troll… atleast then it’s funny. Lol
Anyways yes I do recognize the inconsistency and yes I am aware of the lack of data attributed to it. Not the most brilliant of revelations as I stated earlier, it is a pseudo science. There may be some studies on it but none that would change it’s receptivity to the yielding audience that accept it’s existence and also in parrallel it’s skeptics who looks for the holes, which in our current understanding of energy and science, provide quite of.
So why does it not follow the inverse square rule like other magnetic fields?
When heat emanates from the hands it is usually a person to person healing. So that would be short range and require connection or person to person touch to transfer. I don’t know how that would apply on a larger scale so that the inverse square rule could apply. But I would be interesting when you get a hippy investor to fund such a project.
How can that field be strong enough to work at a distance and not so strong that it disrupts clocks and other mechanisms at close range? Again you assume that the energy has to expand from you to get to a destination. Read the other link on distance healing when your done with this. Again, not alot of studies on this.
And how can there not be “math in it” if you are describing energy?.. it would be silly to advocate a medical procedure that did not have some experimental basis.
Energy is a matter of perception in my opinion. It’s not a medical procedure. It’s not a pull a tab for some juicy insta-heal. I can’t wait for more people like you to study it so that answers can be available. Even if they are inconclusive or completely destroying the facts.
Eh, I’m not here to fight for reiki. Or convince people to go. It works for me. Works with people I know. And has made my life better. If there is not a belief in your life that you can put that hope towards, it’s rough. Good luck.
Since no one has shown that such a force exists, and studies have shown that it doesn’t, it is true fantasy to argue about how it works.
Until someone shows that the Moon is made of cheese, it’s silly to discuss whether it is made from cow or goat milk.
The placebo effect is a powerful one, and affects minds in many ways.
I have to wear mechanical watches because I can get digital watches to run backwards. Takes me about 3 months to get Rob’s g-shock to run backwards, and it take shim removing the battery and replacing it to get it to go normally.
Ah but in the same realm some studies have shown that it does exist, and work on many levels…I figured you guys used google also before slamming the “BS” factor? link1 - link2 - link3 - link4
Also, your report is from 1998, which could limit on the technology available to measure the data.
Yes the human mind can manipulate alot. Also seeking out a reason to say no to things sounding to good to be true.
Oh, and a website with research studies, research articles, hospital listings where reiki is offered, etc… http://www.centerforreikiresearch.org/
Amazing that this is still active after 13 years of being proven that no such force exists. :smack:
Just looking at these abstracts, I see that two of them are in the “no definite effect” category, a third (from an alt med journal) suggests reiki “may” have a “modest” effect on pain, and a fourth argues there might be reason to look further into “distant healing” (including reiki). Even if one buys the idea that sending healing energies over long distances is something more than laughable woo, the evidence to date is not encouraging (for instance, there remains no solid evidence that remotely praying for the sick is helpful to them (as I recall, one study showed a non-statistically significant negative effect), a good thing since I can’t imagine what sort of god would see a randomized prayer trial taking place and decide to heal the people being prayed for and let the others (who might be just as devout) sicken and die).
Any modality that violates physical laws (and reeks of woo) needs extraordinary evidence to support it - and that just hasn’t been forthcoming for reiki, homeopathy or any form of therapy that logically cannot offer more than placebo effect.
It would only be as absurd as more widespread and established forms of superstition? Whoopee-do.
That said, as social animals it would be very surprising if kindly human contact did not have a soothing effect in many cases.
So a study from waaaay back in 1998 showing no human energy field exists has been contradicted since? Has that paper in the New England Journal of Medicine been retracted?
The human mind knows no bounds for ignorance and wishful thinking and suckers are born every minute. You would think superstition would be gone after a few hundred years of science, or 200 years after crazy Hahnemann’s theories were proposed and homeopathy remedies made entirely of water wouldn’t be on pharmacy shelves, but they are. Heck, the theory of the four humors is thousands of years old, so that should be revered most of all. Wonder why it isn’t? Could it be that medical science has advanced tremendously and discarded what cannot be shown to work?
You’re grasping at straws, Dude.
I love that.
I presume those are your best links? And here is what your BEST links have to say:
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That’s geekspeek for “it doesn’t work.”
All this talk about magic stuff has awakened my latent psychic abilities. While reading post #35, I had a strong sense of a July 2011 join date, and when I checked, there it was. Take that, dream-crushing realists!
But seriously, to the OP: dealing with the well-meaning-but-wrong or outright fraudulent people who sell or trade or give away reiki might just add to the stress in your life, which it sounds like the last thing you need.
You are free to hold any beliefs you like, but please do not assert that I referenced “magic” anywhere or that I lack critical thinking skills.
Many many years ago, my wife and I were trying desperately to conceive. Mammhomie told me that a FOAF had gone to some Reiki healer and that they were pregnant the next week.
We made an appointment and went to the woman’s house.
To call the whole thing a sham would be understating it; but the bottom line is that the “therapy” was utterly silly and pointless, and of course we did not get pregnant.
If you had gotten pregnant, it would definitely have been worth a journal write-up.
First of all, a 2 minute google search is not my “BEST” links. lol, also, to point out the one article among 4 that i posted which gives those results does not strengthen your justification.
Here’s the other three you evaded.
That’s idiot speak for, yeah, sometimes it works, but we need more testing.
Which is the more important aspect of this conversation rather than to deny it’s existence in our every day society.
You see my ignorance as a belief, I see your ignorance as an over compensating skepticism factor that doesn’t let you see beyond the facts that are more prominent than the facts against reiki in the first place.
Are you looking for the reasons why it can’t be? Then you’ll always find them.
Yeah, I did join in July, I joined to talk about the politics of the possibility of America defaulting in early august though. Since you can read a calendar, I assume you can calculate time to see what my “first post” was. lol
Then I saw this and thought “what the hell”.
Scam artists are everywhere, over abundance of scam artists can manipulate societies perspective on any given field.
Thanks for all your comments. I hope I am not overwhelming this conversation OP.
That “join date” cheap shot was mine, not musicat’s,and was made in error. To my jaundiced eye, your post resembled the sort that is occassionally made by single topic true believers who inadvertently come across the SDMB through a Google search. Mea culpa. Welcome to the community.