Anyone for a game of Nomic?

Something like this would be good. We could modify my suggested rule to say that once someone loses “eligibility” they have to vote x times in a row before they can regain full elegibility. So if someone misses a vote, we’re not required to wait for them for the next x turns. We have to be careful about making x to big because we don’t want a situation where everyone has become ineligible which would mean we wouldn’t have to wait for anyone before saying that voting is concluded!

If we wanted to we could also modify it to say that we will wait no more than 2 hours (or 10 minutes, or whatever) for them, rather than not waiting at all.

I’ll have to think about how it could be reworded. Anyone else is welcome to take a stab at it.

Shade, I think that’s way way too short, and would needlessly penalize those who can’t check every day. I’d vote against anything with a 24-hour or less time period involved. I think 72-96 hours is the time frame we should be looking at, as it gives people the freedom to do things like leave town for a weekend, observe religious holidays, get a life for a day :), etc.

Always waiting an hour would make sure someone has a chance to vote. How about:

*After a proposal all players are eligible.

Inactive and active players who haven’t voted become ineligible in 1h and 36h respectively. Voting re-eligiblizes someone.

An ‘active’ player is defined as having voted on the last three proposals.*

I was trying to cater to both those who want to say ‘Don’t do anything without me,’ and ‘Get on with it, don’t wait.’ Not to mention ‘What? Oh yeah, Nomic.’

For instance Zev said he didn’t mind not voting every turn if he couldn’t make it. I also would rather the game went on.

If you want to make sure you can vote you can request the full (3 day?) time, but I didn’t know if that was necessary for someone who wasn’t really bothered.

Am I right in understanding that we’re still only waiting to hear from one player? If so, zev, could you email him?

No we’re not. We’re now waiting for 305 to be proposed.

Zev

Ah, oops. I see refreshing the status board that we’re done with 304. Very good. Carry on!

Technically Archernar is correct as we are waiting to hear from one player.

Not to vote but to propose his rule. :wink:

{{Current Rule 203 text for reference:
A rule-change is adopted if and only if the vote is unanimous among the eligible voters. If this rule is not amended by the end of the second complete circuit of turns, it automatically changes to require only a simple majority. }}

Proposal 305:

To change the text of Rule 203 to read as follows:

A rule-change is considered adopted with a simple majority vote of all registered players. At the moment of a simple majority being reached, it is the Proposer’s decision, in eir sole discretion, whether to wait for the remaining players to vote, or to close the voting and continue with the game.

(end of Proposal)

I think this should work. I hope.

Hmm. . .
Thinking. . .
I vote yes on prop 305.

Nice idea, Mikie. I like it. But wouldn’t this conflict with 303 (and since 303 will have a lower number, it [requiring that everyone vote] would take precedence [as per 211])?

Of course, this is solvable by providing a line that says that this rule supercedes 211 in this respect.

Zev Steinhardt

OK, that’s a nice simple solution. I vote yes.

I assume this means when over half have voted for or half voted against. Is it clear that that is stated unambiguously?

Mikie, that’s an official, really Proposed Proposal and everything, yes?

I vote YES as well if it is.

Well, since I don’t feel that I am able to revise and restart voting, I guess we have to let this vote run its course and see what happens.

Teach me to Propose without any input. :smack:

I’m not sure what this says, but it could be read as that if someone points out ambiguity you have the option of rewriting and thencalling to vote.

But I’m not sure. In f2f, obviously, you can say ‘hold on a tick’ if someone’s about to vote, which you can’t do here.

Per Rule 111, I am submitting an amendment to Prop 305:

Amended Proposal 305:

To change the text of Rule 203 to read as follows:

A rule-change is considered adopted with a simple majority vote of all registered players. At the moment of a simple majority being reached, it is the Proposer’s decision, in eir sole discretion, whether to wait for the remaining players to vote, or to close the voting and continue with the game. This rule shall supercede Rule 303.

(end of Amended Proposal)
Carry on.

Thanks.

You didn’t address my question - are we just ignoring that?

Can we make the votes already cast count? I suppose not :frowning: If not, I vote yes again…

Shade,
" A rule-change is considered adopted with a simple majority vote of all registered players [. . .]"
Thus it must be more than half of everyone registered (you can’t go “ok, three people voted, 2:1, so vote’s over!”)
Is that the question?
I had the same thought at first and then realized that this implicitly gives the answer.
I vote for the amended version, if the voting is continuing.

Sorry, Shade, for skipping over your question. I was all caught up in trying to figure if I could actually have the authority to re-start voting.

Yes, a ‘simple majority’ (to me) is one person more than half the total of people.

Therefore, if we have 16 players (as we do now) a simple majority would be nine.

If we had 17 players, a simple majority would also be nine.

At 18 players, a simple majority would be 10.

This is my interpretation, at least.

I think it’s a move forward. I vote yes.