Anyone here willing to vote for Trump/not vote at all if chosen Democrat doesn't win the primary?

[RTFirefly]

@TonySinclair

But what this century has taught me is how very, very important it is to vote Democratic on all the state and local races as well. I used to just ignore them, because the names meant nothing to me, but what the state-level Republicans are doing with gerrymandering, voter suppression, environmental regulations, etc.

THIS.

Here’s a 538 graphic that shows just how important those races are, showing what each party has done in the states where it has trifecta control (governor + both houses of legislature). And needless to say, they are worlds apart.

(My only complaint is 538 didn’t include the GOP’s current state-level assault on reproductive rights. The Democratic Party should take this graphic, add that in, and make sure people see it in states where the legislature is up for grabs.)

[Fugazi]

@TonySinclair

It goes without saying that I would vote for anybody but Trump.

But what this century has taught me is how very, very important it is to vote Democratic on all the state and local races as well. I used to just ignore them, because the names meant nothing to me, but what the state-level Republicans are doing with gerrymandering, voter suppression, environmental regulations, etc., and what McConnell has been able to do with a small majority in the Senate with judicial appointments and bill suppression, is far worse and longer lasting than anything the tweeting Cheeto has done.

Oh yeah. I agree with this whole heartedly. In the 2018 midterms I went straight Dem. Some minor office that I don’t remember had a Republican running unopposed. I left it blank.

[Superdude]

@Fugazi

Oh yeah. I agree with this whole heartedly. In the 2018 midterms I went straight Dem. Some minor office that I don’t remember had a Republican running unopposed. I left it blank.

I always write in Gilbert Gottfried

[TonySinclair]

@Superdude

I always write in Gilbert Gottfried

He also has my vote to play Gym Jordan in the movie they’ll make about this clusterfuck one day.

[dalej42]

I didn’t vote for Kim Foxx (before Jussie Smollet, I knew she was incompetent) and Dorothy Brown (who is corrupt even by Chicago politics standards) This being Chicago, I’d knew they both would win but I couldn’t vote for either of them in conscience.

[slumtrimpet]

@Siam_Sam

No fucking way I would not vote for the Democrat even if it were a dead Charles Manson. Still be better than Chump.

Theoretically a dead Charles Manson would be better than a live one, but yes, any sentient creature is better than the orange whatsis.
Also, no Republicans. None. Enablers and hypocrites.

[bobot]

No fucking way. I’m voting for whichever Democrat wins the primary, even if it’s Bernie Sanders.

[BMax]

@Superdude

I’d rather pound my testicles flat with a wooden hammer than vote for Trump .

I live in the deep red state of Utah.
I’ve voted straight ticket Democrat since the GOP impeached Bill Clinton in 1998.

[RioRico]

I note a lack of support for the current POTUS. Perhaps because Dopers and others who civilly seek information here are better educated, more intelligent, and thus lest brainwashed than a large proportion of the population.

[lel]

It’s quite possible that I could vote third party depending on the eventual Democratic nominee, but I can’t see myself voting for Trump currently.

[Wesley_Clark]

@RioRico

I note a lack of support for the current POTUS. Perhaps because Dopers and others who civilly seek information here are better educated, more intelligent, and thus lest brainwashed than a large proportion of the population.

We’re also total assholes to Trump supporters so most leave or don’t speak about it publicly.

[Thing_Fish]

Uh, no. I will be voting Democrat come hell or high water.

[RioRico]

@Wesley_Clark

We’re also total assholes to Trump supporters so most leave or don’t speak about it publicly.

Trampsters support a flagrant shitstain on the face of the nation. What’s not to like?

[ChickenLegs]

@RioRico

I note a lack of support for the current POTUS. Perhaps because Dopers and others who civilly seek information here are better educated, more intelligent, and thus lest brainwashed than a large proportion of the population.

I still read these forums. Mostly to marvel at the increasing level of derangement of the the self-proclaimed “more intelligent”, and to celebrate the demise of an evil, failed philosophy, but I still read them.

[Hari_Seldon]

I am voting in IL, but only for federal offices. So I will vote for whoever the Ds put up for president and congressman, but the former will carry the state and the latter lose the congressional district no matter what I do. My wife too.

I really feel Bernie helped lose the 2016 election. With an assist from Comey, who got his reward, didn’t he.

The real question for me is who I will vote for in the primary (not the IL primary, but the Global Presidential primary that represents expats like me). I have been following closely and while I like Warren, I think she blew it with her medicare for all. Not that I am opposed, but how do you get there from here. (Very, very slowly and carefully.)

[Pantastic]

@lel

It’s quite possible that I could vote third party depending on the eventual Democratic nominee, but I can’t see myself voting for Trump currently.

Same here. I don’t think that any of the people who supported the debacle in Iraq should be placed in charge of foreign policy, and won’t make the mistake of voting for Iraq War supporters again. (And to be clear, voting for the war is the support I’m talking about, coming back after the fact and saying ‘oh noes, I’m going to heap meaningless opposition now that I’ve provided meaningful support’ doesn’t matter). I voted against my conscience based on the ‘lesser of two evils’ idea in 2016, and it didn’t even help, not going to do it again.

“There is also a chance Saddam will once again miscalculate, that he will misjudge our resolve, and in that event we must be prepared to use force with others if we can, and alone if we must,” “Let everyone here be absolutely clear: I supported the resolution to go to war. I am NOT opposed to war to remove weapons of mass destruction from Iraq. I am NOT opposed to war to remove Saddam from those weapons if it comes to that.” - Joe Biden sourced from
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/politics/fact-check-biden-buttigieg-iraq-afghanistan/index.html

[DrDeth]

@Pantastic

Same here. I don’t think that any of the people who supported the debacle in Iraq should be placed in charge of foreign policy, and won’t make the mistake of voting for Iraq War supporters again. (And to be clear, voting for the war is the support I’m talking about, coming back after the fact and saying ‘oh noes, I’m going to heap meaningless opposition now that I’ve provided meaningful support’ doesn’t matter). I voted against my conscience based on the ‘lesser of two evils’ idea in 2016, and it didn’t even help, not going to do it again.
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Just about everyone voted for it, and pretty much that just eliminates Biden, since other than sanders, no one else has been around long enough to do so.

Basing your vote on a resolution where the President out and out lied to Congress- and they were fooled- is simply wrong.

[Pantastic]

@DrDeth

Just about everyone voted for it, and pretty much that just eliminates Biden, since other than sanders, no one else has been around long enough to do so.

Actually, 23 senators and 113 representatives voted against it, which is not ‘just about everyone’. And since I don’t accept ‘everyone was doing it’ as an excuse from children, why would I accept it from a presidential candidate? “Gosh, a lot of us supported this complete and utter failure of foreign policy, therefore it would be meany-pants of you to hold any of us accountable for it” just doesn’t work.

Basing your vote on a resolution where the President out and out lied to Congress- and they were fooled- is simply wrong.

Basing my vote on whether a Senator was foolish enough to support the biggest military debacle the US has engaged in in my lifetime is completely and utterly reasonable. Congress has broad power to investigate potential legislation and to access and evaluate classified information. If a Senator chooses to just rubber-stamp presidential decisions, then they’re failing to do the job they were elected to do. If, as I think is more likely, they were fine with the war until it turned out to not be an easy victory, and are just using ‘oh, the president LIED’ to try to wash their hands of the decision, I don’t accept that crying after the fact dissolves responsibility in the first place.

Also, politicians flat out lying is as old as politicians existing. If someone is naive enough to believe that politicians don’t lie, they’re not qualified for any elective office above dog catcher, much less President. Also the lying about WMD isn’t what led to the Iraq war being a debacle, it was the complete lack of a plan for winning anything other than the short, quick military phase. Refusing to vote for the authorization until it included measures to actually win the war (rather than win some battles, depose Hussein, and leave a mess) was perfectly possible.

[Doyle]

Won’t vote for Trump under any circumstances. May vote for Biden, Gabbert, Yang or Williamson. Bur because I live in a sure fire read state, I’ll probably vote for a third party candidate.

[MEBuckner]

@Superdude

I’d rather pound my testicles flat with a wooden hammer than vote for Trump.

Hey, MEBuckner, any chance you’d be willing to share that cabin with me and Girl Wonder? We can both cook, and have been EMTs, so we’re occasionally useful. And she tries not to eat meat, so she won’t make too big a dent in your canned good. Plus, she weighs like 98 pounds and can shoot game. We live in a red state, too (Kentucky, so we have to endure Mitch McConnell more than most people do), and would love the escape.

A commune probably would have a better shot of it than just some cranky [del]old[/del] [del]late middle-aged[/del] OK, old guy all by himself.

We can sleep in shifts and take turns fending off the hordes of zombies, Trump supporters, and zombie Trump supporters.