Oops. Apologies. Yes, I meant Otto.
(Yay! Polycarp thanked me!)
Otto, he’s hanging on your every word and he seems worried about your feelings.
:: sing-song voice ::
I think someone has a crush!
A little late (I went to bed after I posted) but thank you for the info.
er I meant my thanks was a little late.
According to the article they refused him because he was the owner of two gay night clubs. Which of course makes perfect sense…after all he was profiting from a business that encorages drinking, dancing, lewd behavior and quite possibly drug use and promiscuous sex. This of course being markedly different from straight night clubs which are noted for their community sings and quiting bees.
I just don’t think the diocese would have had any problem burying the owner of a non-gay nightclub.
Which is why, though of course they can run things any way they want, I don’t think its unreasonable to call them on hypocracy. I seem to recall something in the Bible about that…
How about Franco?
Or any of the scummier Popes, Borgia and non-Borgia.
Did Mr McCusker have any kind of last rites? You know, the bit before you die where all your sins are supposed to be forgiven? because if he did, the RCC is full of shit.
Or is this that while not Catholic himself, he wanted to have his funeral at his Alma Mater? In which case, unfortunately it’s their building, so they can make the rules.
Sorry, but I’m not outraged the slightest bit. It’s not like it’s mandatory to belong to the catholic church, or a big secret that said church has an issue with homosexuality, or a fundamental human right to get a catholic burial.
cuata-I-can-never-remember-how-to-spell-it-and-I’m-too-lazy-to-cut-and-paste-twice: Who else? C’mon, help me fill out this list of people who aren’t as bad as gays.
Jeepers, you can find anything on the internet these days! Funerals of the Infamous:
Hmm, I wonder where San Diego crime boss Frank “the Bomp” Bompensiero was buried after the successful mob hit on him in 1977?
I’ve got no problem with the Catholic Church ruling that people who don’t follow their teachings can’t participate in their sacraments and ceremonies, even if I don’t agree with their positions. However, I have to agree that giving Catholic funerals to mob bosses while denying them to gay nightclub owners, on account of the nature of their “business activity”, simply reeks of hypocrisy.
What’s their policy on burying child molesting priests?
Clair, this craniorectal inversion is unlike your normal clear thinking.
Nobody is saying that McCosker has some fundamental human right to the services of the Catholic Church, nor that it has issues with homosexuality. It’s saying that someone who regarded himself as Catholic while alive, should then be denied a Catholic funeral and burial. And that they’re not practicing the pious platitudes that are found in their own Catechism.
If they had excommunicated him while alive, that’s one thing. Contrary to what I consider good Christian principles, and to their own canon law, but understandable. But suddenly a grandstanding diocesan Chancellor is using his death to make a statement.
You know, I’m tempted to see this as a good thing. Let me explain. I’m told one of the things which led to Vermont legalizing gay marriages is a story about a man whose family had his body moved and refused to tell his partner of some 20 or 25 years where he was buried. This brought it home to some folks just how few rights homosexual couples have with regard to each other; legally, the man’s partner had no right to learn where his partner was buried and the owners of the cemetary had no obligation to tell him because legally they weren’t related.
This could work the same way. If this one aspect of his life so greatly outweighs every other aspect, then maybe people will realize just how ridiculous this prejudice is. What’s particularly outrageous is the reason he wasn’t allowed to be buried because of any homosexual acts he may or may not have committed (the article doesn’t say and at 31 I know I was unmarried and celibate as I was for most of my 20s and 30s), but because he owned one night club which drew a mostly homosexual crowd 7 nights a week and one which is mixed, primarily heterosexual on Friday nights and primarily homosexual on Saturday nights, at least according to the article.
Otto, I can’t tell you how sorry I am. All I can do is keep working to get things to change.
CJ
Sadly, I suspect you are wasting your time attempting to explain empathy to Mr. Moto.
It is strange that mob bosses and assassins get a Catholic funeral and burial, while a gay bar owner does not. And then he is posthumously excommunicated too? That’s stupid and spiteful. It must be nice for this “church official” if he is so perfect as to be able to judge everyone else. So there you have it, it’s OK to kill people, but not OK to run a bar of the “wrong type”.
I think you mean “a man with tattoos on his bacon.” ;j
I disagree. It isn’t a universal practice among all rabbis and cemeteries. But, there are places which will refuse to accept a corpse with a tatoo. IIRC If the person is a convert who got the tatoo before converting to Judaism, the may be buried but only in a special section of the cemetery.
(slight hijack)
Band name!
(we now return you to your Pit thread)
A week after the fact, the bishop has apologized and offered to conduct a memorial mass. Which was, I suppose, a nice thing for him to do.
I hope McCusker’s family tells the bishop to shove his mass up his ass.
Based on this and some other recent cases, not to hijack things, ‘dying satisfactorily’ is actually kind of hard to do.