Arak- the national drink of Iraq?

Eva Luna: A few humble suggestions that Collounsbury may want to add to ( or dispute :wink: ):

For a short general introductory overview of Islam, I think Islam by Caesar E. Farah ( fifth edition - 1994, Barron’s Educational Series, Inc. ) is pretty solid.

For a larger, more in depth ( but still general ) historical survey of Islamic culture/society, I like the big A History of Islamic Societies by Ira M. Lapidus ( 1988, Cambridge University Press ).

For a short intro to modern political Islam and its relation to the west, try The Islamic Threat, Myth or Reality? by John L. Esposito ( revised edition 1995, Oxford University Press ).

For a larger historical survey and analysis of 20th century political Islam, I frequently pimp Jihad, * The Trail of Political Islam* by Gilles Kepel, translated by Anthony Roberts ( English edition 2002, The President and Fellows of Harvard College ).

  • Tamerlane

**Collounsbury, ** I read English (obviously), Spanish, Russian, and French. Suggest away! And FTR, I have no idea what salafi means. Sufi, yes; Salafi, no.

And ** Tamerlane, ** thanks for the homework assignment, which (given its length) I certainly hope will outlast the current round of pulmonary maladies. Even if **Collounsbury ** disagrees with you, I am of the firm opinion that it is nearly impossible to collect too many opinions. Provided one takes into account the biases of their proponents, of course, of which I may not be terribly aware without a larger context to fit them into. So if you could share a couple phrases of context on each suggestion, I’d be highly grateful.

Now I just have to hie me to a good library, or givent the state of the Chicago Public Library these days, more likely to a good bookstore…

Eva Luna: Salafism is a political/religious movement ( not really a sect ), a reactionary backlash against western ideals ( transmitted or imposed via colonialism ) that originated in the nineteenth century in places like Egypt and Syria. Salaf means ancestor ( roughly ) and salafists were back-to-basics traditonalists and literalists that wished to return to the era of their devout ancestors. It is a similar ( but not identical ) to Wahhabism theologically, insomuch as it rejects modernism and innovation in Islam. So you might say Wahhabis are generally salafists, but not all salafists are Wahhabi ( i.e. follow the Hanbali school of jurisprudence et al ).

The jihadist-salafists are our modern fundamentalist/extremist terrorist types ( and associated political movements ). The term was self-adopted by ultra-fundamentalists militants in recent years ( post-Gulf War ) to distinguish themselves from the “sheikhists” which is how they refer to al-Saud family and their semi-compliant ( but still ostensibly salafist ) court ulema. Basically these are the al-Qaeda folks and their like-minded associates. For them the militant lesser jihad is the central theme and for many the U.S. is number one target and threat. The even regard more “moderate” Islamists like Egypt’s Muslim Brothers with suspicion and derision.

Now lessee, a little more background on the volumes I cited:

Lapidus is a historian from UC Berkeley whose academic specialty seems to center around the culture, arts, and society of medieval Ayyubid and Mamluk Egypt. His volume is basically a massive survey course text for Islamic history and culture with all that implies. Very broad in scope, very neutral in tone, but with plenty of detail ( about 1000 pages of largish paperback ).

Farah is a historian from U of Minnesota whose area of specialty seems to be the Ottomans ( or some facet thereof, at least I have seen a work by him on Ottoman 19th century political history in Lebanon ). Again, I would say this is a pretty even-handed ( a little less dry and neutral than Lapidus though - not necessarily an insult to Lapidus, I like dry in survey texts ) survey text that traces the origin of Islam, basic beliefs, and its proliferation and differentiation. It is in a few ways ( but hardly all ) a shorter, more general version of Lapidus. I don’t think it would be at all redundant to read both ( I’ve cited from both on different issues ), but Farah’s book at ~400-odd pages is a lot shorter ;). I would say that Farah pays a lot more attention to philosophical issues and less to surveying Islamic history ( except early Islamic history ). When he does tackle history, it is more from the standpoint of the evolution of ideas rather than the geo-political history Lapidus provides. Both books have nice little glossaries.

Esposito is a Professor of Religion and International Affairs at Georgetown and the Director of the Center of Muslim-Christian Understanding there. That might give you an idea of his bias ;). While he is very upfront about the threat of political Islam, he is also very much a proponent of the idea that ultimately Islam in general is perfectly compatible with western ideals and this particular book is a very lucid exploration of both themes, by focusing on the nature of the first. It’s quite concise ( under 300 pages ) and a very readable select history of Islamic extremism and the reaction to the west in the 20th century Middle East.

Kepel is a sociologist and political scientist, Professor of Middle East Studies at the Institute for Political Studies in Paris and is one of Europe’s leading experts on political Islam. The original title of the book I cited is Jihad, Expansion et decline de l’Islamisme ( 2000, Editions Gallimard ) and that is actually a more descriptive working title. He traces the history of the myriad forms of Islamism in the 20th century, their success, and in his opinion, their ultimate failure as political movements. He is of the opinion that as a political philosophy it is on the wane and for the English edition he even shoehorns in a brief comment of the WTC disaster and why it doesn’t necessarily invalidate his hypothesis. He may or may not be correct in his final analysis, but if you want a detailed history of 20th century political Islam, this is an excellent book. It is a little more detailed as a history book than Esposito’s ( but only a little ).

Dunno if that was precisely what you were looking for , but there ya go :).

If you are interested in more directed books in this general area, topic-wise, I might have further suggestions. For example I have a very good volume on the political gyrations around the succession to Muhammed which engendered the Sunni/Shi’a split or maybe you’ve had a long suppressed fascination with the Mamluk-Ilkhanate political/military struggles in the 13th century :p. ( Seriously, I do have some more “general” titles lying around, if you’re interested ).

  • Tamerlane

Well, Tamerlane, any long-suppressed fascinations I harbor probably don’t have much to do, I confess, with the Mamluk-Ilkhanate struggles…so it’s probably best to start with the general and work my way to the more specific. I did take one grad course on Islam in the FSU, but it was by necessity rather general; one day I counted, and the prof slogged his way through a total of nine dynasties in a 75-minute class period.

I’ve always thought history classes should be taught using way more maps than is usually the case, preferably historical atlases, and with much more discussion of population migrations and ethnic mixing, so one can figure out exactly what peoples/places are being discussed.

And in my fantasy world, mainstream news media might even endeavor to provide a little historical/ideological background. The result of their failure to do so is exemplified by my family, who think for the most part that Arab, Muslim, Palestinian, and terrorist are basically synonyms. And these are literate people who read newspapers! Throw in the ones who don’t, and you end up with hate crimes and atrocities of all sorts.

Anyway, enough babbling; time to crack the books!

And out of curiosity, is Ira Lapidus any relation to Gail Warshofsky Lapidus, the Russian historian? She was at Stanford for a while, but I’m not sure whether she’s still there.

Nothing to dispute there, they are all on my wall somewhere. Let me look up some of my French references as well. Shaking a Raki hangover right now, ironically. Damned Shamis.

My only comment is Espisito sometimes verges a little towards apologia.

Also see Bernard Lewis’ historical works, which can be quite useful for a background understanding.

Also in re Salafisme, I contend that much of Salafi action is actually modernizing under the cover of ‘back to basics’ – as those basics never existed per se. It is perhaps a convoluted argument, and the raki (Arak) is not yet out of my system.

So ** Collousbury, ** if the raki/araq hits you so hard, why do you keep drinking it? You seem to have somewhat of a love/hate relationship with it. Is it a metaphor for something else?

Not a clue, sorry :).

Agreed. But I think you put it exactly right, as I think it is more a tendency that a driving agenda. Factually he seems to be fairly solid.

I like to think of Bernard Lewis as the cranky old man of Islamic history :D. Perhaps unfair, but I mean it respectfully and even in the interviews I’ve heard/read he reenforces it by coming across as very forthright in his opinions and ever-so-slightly impatient with dumb or simplistic questions ;). In some ways in fact, I find him to be sort of the opposite coin of Esposito ( though they cover slightly different territory most of the time ), as I think he tends to lean just a little towards a “conservative” reading of the material, while still being very rigorously factual.

For instance example his view of the lesser vs. greater jihad concepts in The Political Language of Islam** wherein he acknowledges that a few classical jurists ( mostly Shi’ite ) did take the view that the spiritual jihad was paramount, but then IMO seems a bit overly dismissive of both that classical alternate take and the influence of that alternate concept ( classically deived or not ) in modern Islam.

But I do recommend that book. I also found his The Muslim Discovery of Europe to be quite interesting.

His book on the Nizaris I think is good, but I think the more modern volumes by Daftary, derivative and biased or not ( there is perhaps some controversy there - see the thread and linked staff report here: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128277 ) are a little more detail-rich and up-to-date.

Interesting. I haven’t heard that take before ( the “not-really-back-to-basics” I’ve heard, but not the modernizing bit ). If you feel like expounding a bit after the hangover subsides, I’d be curious to hear your take.

Oh and so we don’t wander completely off-topic - Anyone who drinks straight anise-flavored liquor by choice has got to be deranged - Next thing I know you’ll be telling me you’re fond jagermeister :p.

  • Tamerlane

Darn Barnes & Noble! All they had out of everything you guys mentioned was Lewis’ The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2,000 Years,[/] so what the heck, I bought it. I also ended up with Peter Hopkirk’s The Great Game: The Struggle for Empire in Central Asia[/] not exactly what e’d been talking about, but I’ve been meaning to read it for ages, and it nicely bridges the whole Islam thing and my Central Asia background. SHould be fun.

Well, time to put on a big pot of tea (with cloves, North Caucasian-style, and drunk out of those itty-bitty glasses, which means I have to wash them first). Darnit, no sugar cubes in the house! Maybe I’ll run out to the Middle East Bakery a couple of blocks from here and get some sugar cubes and some baklava before I sit down to read…baklava for breakfast…yum! Who needs araq? And if tea will help a raki hangoever, you’re all cordially invited to my Middle East history *salon[/].