Which of the two enforces their policy better?
Without enforcement, a policy is a piece of paper.
BTW–my Father is Catholic, & I have attended a Catholic school.
Evidence that the church’s policy has ever been enforced. How many priests have actually been removed from the ministry? How many have been turned over to secular authorities? Because it looks from here like that policy is nothing more than lip service. Look at Joseph Palanivel Jeyapaul, a priest who’s under indictment in Minnesota for sexual assault against two teenage girls. What was the Vatican’s response to the allegations?
These complaints date from 2004 and 2005. How’s that 2002 policy working?
I see that their “policy” (or at least their working procedure) seems to be to send priests who have had complaints filed against them away from White America and over to brown people land: Indian reservations and (apparently) India. Seems to work for them just fine… until now.
Side note:Who knew there were Catholics in India? Ignorance fought. Too bad the Church cannot seem to face its own ignorance and clean its own house.
Once again: you (and the RCC) are convicting the seven Watergate burglars, while missing Haldeman, Ehrlichmann, Mitchell, Colson, etc.
ETA: Maybe Joey the Rat’s papal name should be Pope Nixon I.
Yeah! All is Forgiven:
Oh, wait, that’s got nothing to do with the church cosseting paedophiles.
Here’s the story that’s relevent to this thread:
Vatican to bishops: follow law, report sex abuse
I wonder how sincere this is, and why it took the church so long to get here.
Well, since the topic of the thread is more properly about a series of enabling institutional coverups, rather than child abuse, per se, it doesn’t really seem out of line that the focus should be on a particular institution that has been guilty of them.
You’re free to try to shift it into a discussion of child abuse per se, if you prefer to discuss that, but indications are that you’re not going to succeed. And your apparent continued attempts to do so seem to be getting some people wondering why you don’t wish for there to be a Pitting of institutional enabling coverups. If you’re perfectly okay with there being a Pit thread that focuses on institutional enabling coverups, a really good way of signaling that willingness would be to stop cavilling about it being the focus of this one.
OTOH, if you just want to have a Pit thread about ALL organizations that harbor child abusers, you could start one…
But if he did that, he wouldn’t be able to use his “But what about them over there?” excuse, would he?
Kind soul that I am, I have not yet convicted hm in my mind of being primarily motivated by such a consideration. Perhaps his response to my post will make things clearer.
Perhaps.
From Squink’s link:
“IF” they are required to by law. If not, well, let them molest away, and tell nobody. No reporting requirement, no foul.
Oh, and Rod “Crunchy Con” Dreher:
Well, fuck, if that’s the case, then it’s time to break up the Catholic Church and sell off its assets, give the money to its (far too many) victims, and let the laity decide whether they still want a Catholic Church or not, and what sort of church it should be.
The scary thing with respect to Dreher is that this is part of his ongoing defense of the Rat.
You have to admire perfections and the Church has (and is) perfectly screwing up. I am awestruck at how tonedeaf these people are. They honestly seem puzzled people are upset. Just for a moment take these people’s comments as true statements as to what they think. I am amazed.
Further, every day there is a new revelation. It just keeps getting worse. A remarkable story.
Um, ok.
Sometimes this place makes my head hurt.
Whiplash?
Yup. 
Eh. I think you are being very generous, considering his previous behavior in this thread. If you parse his statements thoroughly, I feel they’re pretty equivocal.
Church spokesman: Celibacy doesn’t cause pedophilia, homosexuality does.
And, no, that is not from The Onion.
Yeah, but are they still threatening to damn their young swimmers’ and swimmers families’ souls to eternal hell?
Only if they don’t beat Tech next week.
My “Um, ok.” was meant to demonstrated dumbfoundedness. It still does.
I have no words for the most recent link. And to think that there used to be scholarly, intelligent people who were Catholic. Perhaps we need another Enlightenment.
Noted.
This is the statement that is bugging me:
Imagine that! Taking someone’s statements as evidence of what they actually think! How odd! To me, this reads like another attempt to carry water for these immoral individuals. Paul seems to be saying that these hideous statements are not actually meant to be taken at face value, but rather the people making these statements have some super-secret thoughts which they just aren’t sharing with us.
Funny how you say Paul should take someone’s statements at face value, but do not do the same for him.
I think it’s pretty clear that he thinks that, while the pedophilia coverup is bad, that some people are using it as a way to voice pure anti-Catholic views.
In the Catholic setup, breaking them down would be the equivalent of damning every person in the world to eternal torment, since they are the Church. As hard as it may be, they’d rather get rid of all the bad people, rather than dismantle the Church itself. Remember, the Church is much more than its clergy. And there are at least some untainted clergy out there. Just get rid of the tainted ones and start another Reformation.
An analogy for you would be to consider if the Church officials were U.S. government officials. You might want to replace the government, but not the country itself, i.e. its people.