The irony, of course, is that people direct this argument to a forum member who actually was NOT clearly male or female at birth but rather intersex… in other words, someone who was neither physically entirely male or female at birth.
Granted, this doesn’t apply to all transgender people, but some subset of them actually were never “clearly” male or female at birth.
Biology is often more complicated than people realize.
Given that a common fall-out from physically transitioning is being ostracized by everyone who knew you pre-transition… who do they have left but “total strangers”? They people they used to call friend have abandoned them, as have their acquaintances.
Lol. Okay.
If you have a penis, you are a male. If you have a vagina, you are a female. No matter what you think, whether you are a male and think you are a female or vice-versa, it does not change the fact that you have the sexual biology you were born with. If you think you are a male, when biologically you are not, there is something wrong with your head. That defies reality and biological science itself.
Is that so hard to grasp?
I’ve heard this argument a thousand times, and you are correct, it has nothing to do with the mental illness that is transgenderism. That is a birth defect, not a mental disorder.
I’m curious to know what is so complicated in regards to human biology?
I did not come up with the allergy analogy. Kimstu did while trying to place the burden on the 80% of people who do not want to date transgender.
Perhaps something like licorice. If an item on the menu tastes like licorice, and you know that 80% of people don’t want to eat things flavored like licorice then its probably something you would put in the menu description. You wouldn’t expect the 80% of people to say “Oh by the way, I don’t like licorice, is there anything on the menu that tastes like licorice, I’d like to avoid it?”
Absolutely, and I would think that would be an argument for vetting people BEFORE you date total strangers but if you are going to do that, do you think that the violence is more likely if you are upfront before you go on a date or after a few dates? I know some people will just go around gay bashing transgender folks. But I suspect that there is a population of people who would be repulsed if they knew before they started to get romantically (not necessarily sexually) involved but might be violent if they found out after they started to get romantically involved.
Why do transgender women want to date so many strangers? AFAICT, a lot of times, they end up with a lot of dudes that are interested in satisfying some fetish or want to cross it off their bucket list. How many genuine relationships can they expect to find from dating strangers? Isn’t there a community of people that transgender women can tap into who are genuinely interested in a long and loving relationship with a transgender woman and not just satisfying a kink?
Why is it so important to you?
Seriously, why do people CARE so much about whether someone’s trans or not? I mean, unless you plan on dating a person, what does it matter? It’s not hurting you, it has no effect on you whatsoever.
Even if being trans is a mental illness, transitioning and living as their non-biological sex seems to be the best way to treat it. So if said person is happy, functioning, and not harming anyone, who gives a shit?
Its frequently the mom that wants it.
Isn’t there some sort of support system in the transgender community to help people transition into their new life? To provide a community for people who may have be cut off by everyone they ever knew? It seems like this has to exist, the need for something like this is just too obvious.
Let’s start with the existence of XY females and XX males.
There are living people right now who have the “wrong” chromosomes for their appearance at birth. Prior to the discovery of chromosomes XY women were assumed to be women whose internal organs for some mysterious reason didn’t develop properly but were unquestionably women. Post-discovery of chromosomes you have parents being told their daughter is actually their son when their child has NO external male anatomy and, indeed, may be more feminine in appearance than average.
Likewise, XX men externally are me, they have a fully functional penis, and generally are only discovered when a thorough work up for infertility reveals that their chromosomes are XX instead of XY.
Yes, those are birth/developmental defects. They also are of a sort that don’t need to be corrected.
Then there are all the various intersex conditions.
What’s complicated is that there are a LOT of exceptions to the binary concept of either male or female but never in between.
I’m going to leave those questions for Una, if she’s willing to answer them.
Why does anyone date strangers? Everyone is safer dating someone in their community, and yet dating apps, designed to help people date strangers are massively popular.
I imagine transgender women date strangers for the same reasons cisgender women date strangers.
Oops, I meant to address this, too.
Believe it or not, their are lots of cis people who are genuinely interested in loving relationships and don’t see “trans” as a major issue. Just as there are non-diabetics who don’t see type 1 diabetes as a relationship-killer.
I admit, in my experience, bisexual women are the most common partners for trans people of either gender. But there are trans people who are really hot by any ordinary standard, and I would expect they have a broad pool of potential partners, just as really hot cis people do.
So, given that lots of people have birth defects leading them to have a poor match between the gender they were assigned and other parts (such as their brains) what should the rest of us do about it? Should we point and say “freak! freak!” Or should we let them live as the gender most comfortable to them, and treat them as members of the community?
The second seems like the obviously superior choice to me.
Speaking of which, it’s not as if it’s some new invention that there are people who don’t fall nearly into either sex or gender. The Talmud has all sorts of rules about how to deal with intersex people.
I reject the idea that intersex is a birth defect.
There are many animal species that have hermaphrodite members, to one degree or another - humans just happen to be one of them. There are even species that naturally change entirely from one sex to another.
Clearly, sexual fluidity carries some kind of evolutionary advantage, or it wouldn’t be so common.
Just so you know, many people find “cis” a derogatory term.
LOL yourself. You understand and know nothing about the subject of sex, genetics, gender, and gender identity. Bored now.
Huh? So you’re agreeing with me?
Why can’t the cisgender people?
That sort of victim-blaming would be bad enough if it even gave a nod to the concerns with any seriousness. Why don’t all those cisgender men out there who have our well-being paramount actively start actively policing other cisgender men to stop beating and killing us?
Yet you seem to keep entering threads about people like me, asking a lot of questions, and seemingly making a lot of demands on us.
And if my “utilitarian principles” say the opposite.
You do know that you are basing your entire argument on your opinion? Calling it “utilitarian principles” appears to be only an attempt to give your opinion greater weight than it has by giving it a different name. Whereas I’m just outright calling my opinion an opinion.
I don’t know that. It’s a term describing most of the population, so it would be odd for it to be derogatory.
But anyway, when Microsoft word told me “many people find ‘Jew’ a derogatory term, you should avoid using it”, I said, “screw you, Microsoft. I’m a Jew and I’m reclaiming that word.” I’m cis, too. I don’t know any other word to succinctly describe my condition. I’m gong to stick with this one, until I have evidence that some other word has replaced it.
An intersex condition that prevents a person from reproducing, or in extreme cases having typical sexual intercourse, probably should be described as a defect.
Less extreme ones that do not interfere with reproduction probably are better called natural variation.
However, for human beings it is not normal to be hermaphroditic.