OK, so blame American domestic terrorism on the Irish rather than on Islam, or is it in addition to Islam? It’s all so confusing, not knowing who to blame American domestic terrorism on.
Some random tribe in BFA killing some other random tribe that I’ve never heard of or some random Jewish dude that might make the local news isn’t going to be perceived the same as what people do in the name of Islam. Sorry they ain’t equal.
That said, it’s easy to critique the Bible or Jesus without being called racist or having to worry about having your head sawed off. And here I thought the religions were identical? No? You can convert from Christianity without being stoned?
Key word is “ideology.” If this was perceived as an ideology and not shielded with the label religion (other than Christianity) than this ideology would be attacked with a vigor by those on the morally bankrupt left. But since it’s a "religion " practiced by group perceived to be different than the domestic status who the willing adherents of this dangerous ideology are treated as potential numeric allies. It’s a very dangerous game the left plays and the ironic thing is if there isn’t a strong effort to assimilate and moderate Islamic thought the left are going to be the ones who suffer the most.
An “enemy” of an enemy is not always a friend.
I am not confusing anything.
Your persistent efforts to condemn the “ideology” while carefully never bothering to identify the various ideologies involved, lumping them all as “Islam,” demonstrates my point. The Islam haters will rationalize their hatred any way they can. Lumping or splitting as necessary and denying direct analogs with quibbling to avoid facing their actual perspectives.
Take niqab, replace with “cross”. Take references to muslims, replace with christians. It becomes an identically valid statement. Christianity can often be an oppressive, intolerant ideology (see treatment of homosexuals). It says many hateful things about gays, jews and non-christians generally.
Believe me, I’m more than happy with the starting point that all religions can (and have) been used as an excuse for evil behaviour. So do you suggest that we should ban all of them?
That’s just not true. Christianity and Islam and Hunduism etc are distinct. Not identical. Furthermore Christianity has been moderated and reformed at great costs historically. Islam is not there,yet, nor is it guaranteed to ever get there. Christianity is the subject of satire, lampooning, and vulgar treatment. I dare you to put a Mohammed or a Koran in urine and display it as great “art.” The motives for shielding Islam of a much needed critique and drastic reformation are obvious and sadly, for the left, ultimately counterproductive.
This is actually the thing that occurred to me while reading this thread. Would a woman wearing a cross be (justifiably, in the eyes of some posters) subject to automatic, reflexive “angry looks” or glares? The cross is a symbol of Christianity, and for many , that means it’s a symbol of oppression. Not all people see it that way, but some do. Is a cross the same as a t-shirt that wags a disapproving finger at homosexuality? For some, yes, it is. How about a woman who has had an abortion? A t shirt that pushes an extremely specific aspect of one’s religion – such as “Marriage is for straight people only. You fags don’t get to marry. PERIOD.” – well, that’s an aggressive message, one that is directed toward actual, individual people in a hurtful way. To equate that aggressive message with a passive observation of one’s faith - well, that seems disingenuous. A person wearing an anti-SSM slogan on a shirt is aggressive, in a way that wearing veils or a cross isn’t.
I put a drawing of Muhammad on the front page my blog.
And the same image is on my Archive page.
I just did a piece called “15 Reasons Why ISIS Is a Bunch of Total Losers”
I spent the evening working on a piece I’m posting for the anniversary of the Charlie Hebdo attack. It includes a cartoon of Allah and Muhammad. The piece isn’t up yet, but I put the cartoon up so I could include the URL in the piece. You can see the cartoon here.
I’ve already given examples of the bible being used to justify child rape, abductions, and butchery. It’s the work of seconds to google christian beliefs on homosexuality (have a look at the attempt to make it punishable by death in Uganda). You must surely know about Westboro baptist and others.
Judaism, as already pointed out, has been used to justify terrorist attacks in the US. There’s also the massive issue of the repression of palestinians.
Hinduism has been used to justify all manner of nastiness, from the caste system to Saffron terrorism.
But somehow you like to focus only on Islam as being used to justify barbarism. Funny that, eh.
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Prepare yourself for a bunch of dismissive comments from those who can’t brag about a triple digit IQ because they had dumb but horny ancestors
It was not a case of bragging it was a reply to someone who doubted my intelligence due to a problem in writing the English language
I’d guess that no-one in the history of the internet has ever had their opinion of someone’s intelligence changed by said person claiming a particular IQ.
It seems to me that non-Christians in the United States should be losing patience with Christians, judging by this recent bit of news:
That pesky constitution doesn’t seem to concern some people, does it?
Not identical, no, but similar - entrenched characteristics that are key to a person’s identity, and form a basis for discrimination. This is why such characteristics are commonly grouped together, e.g.:
Civil Rights Act
All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.
Some “criticism” is, in fact, bigotry and/or racism. It’s not all that hard to spot the difference, given a reasonable sample size.
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Just out of curiosity what was your opinion, say 20 years ago, regarding people of Irish extraction being allowed to walk around unmolested in the UK.
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During the troubles I lived in a military town and we were bombed by the IRA, Two public houses I used in another town were bombed by the IRA luckily I changed my plans for the evening and went elsewhere. It became a natural reaction to become alert to a Irish accent. This did not mean that I held all Irish men and woman guilty. What was happened was division between the Irish people that caused the troubles to continue and for this I did blame the Irish, people were doing nothing to put a stop to the troubles only apportioning blame. It was only through the peace movement (ordinary people) that the troubles have ceased. But there are still evil men and woman on both sides who would like to see the troubles continue. Another major problem was the attitude of Americans that the IRA were folk hero’s, this sadly aloud millions of dollars to be collected to support the lads back in Ireland. One of the problems America has is the physical distance they had from the Irish problems, and now also the Islamist problems in Europe.
One thing I would like to see happen is the banning of Facebook it is the realm of liars, bigots, racists and the security services, I personally stay away from it as none of the information can be trusted. This is causing a great deal of misinformation that is deliberately muddying the waters on the Islamic issue. On the far right you have the hate merchants BNP (think KKK) and on the far left you have the UAF ( Unite Against Fascism founded by a Leninist, a Stalinist and a Trotskyite so Communist) The security services spreading their usual misinformation. The major problem we have is there is no Peace Movement and I cannot see that happening. One thing that must not be done is to dump the problem on the shoulders of the white population, many Sikh’s, Hindu’s, Buddhists, and Asian Christians have problems with Islam many coming to the UK to escape religious persecution by Islamists. Do I have contact with any Muslims? Yes mainly from Islamic countries because they disagree with Sharia Law, they stay away from mosques and usually meet in peoples homes, the problem is that these type of Muslims are rarer than hens teeth. As far as I know they all have arranged but loving marriages. the problem they say is that they are in the minority.
Just a thought are Muslim entering a strange land using the Mosque as an anchor and are scared of letting go just as in some catholic countries the church has far to much power, maybe to reduce the Islamic problem is to reduce the power of the Mosque, one of the complaints I have heard from young Muslims is the importation of Mosque leaders from third world countries who speak little or no English and have no idea about living in a Weston country.
As non sequiturs go, this is a thing of beauty. Please do continue.
Yes the Cross is a symbol of Christianity it is also scene as a piece of jewelry worn by none believers, you cannot compare the cross and Islamic dress
:dubious: Non-Christians wear crosses? Is that a British thing?
Ironic beauty at that. I’m curious, though, how “security services” made its way into that esteemed group whose realm Facebook is.
Do you know who also liked wearing crosses? Even broken ones?
I think TM is using ‘talk-to-text’ and it isn’t working out that well for him.