Spoken like a member of the establishment, of course.
It is quite common for people fleeing authoritarian regimes to presume that all power is authoritarian and arrayed against them. That you fail to recognize that indicates only that you have no genuine experience with such people.
For that matter, there is no particular reason for anyone to believe that they have no need to fear the police. You may not be aware of this sort of behavior, but you may be assured that the majority of low-income and immigrant people are not merely aware of it but that they believe it to be the norm.
That’s the sad thing. I don’t have to exaggerate even a little. The SDMB is filled with people who can’t or won’t condemn Islamic terrorism without bringing up Eric Rudolph or Fred Phelps. I wish that I WAS creating a straw man, but this very thread proves my point in spades.
They all deserve to hang, but best to give them life in prison so they contemplate their complete and utter failure from there as the decades go by and their lose their teeth one by one.
Xenophobia really sucks. I wish people realized that the vast majority of muslims have indeed become de-facto police informants, exactly what you’d expect a good guy to do.
They should also realize that muslims get killed by terrorists more frequently than non-muslims, and that they hate islamic terrorists twice as much because not only do they kill them, but they smear their religion (which is a big no-no), cause them shame by association and make things difficult for them in the world. :eek:
The urge to scapegoat is just too strong, I think.
Remind me, how many people did Fred Phelps kill? I personally think that terrorists who blow up buildings and vehicles and shoot people are worse than those who make asses of themselves picketing funerals…
Note that you had to limit it to a month, is there some moral high ground in intentionally ignoring that Anti-abortion extremist Scott Roeder killed 3 on Nov 29th? It seems odd to resort to small differences in body count and time especially when Roeder would have killed more given the chance.
It is a pretty low debate tactic to game the numbers like that when the pain is still very fresh in the minds of the victims from the latest US Christian terrorist attack.
Huh? Islamist violence in the last month killed more than the eleven killed in anti-abortion violence cited in post 388. I didn’t ignore anything, there was no limit on the time-frame of anti-abortion violence whatsoever.
There is no gaming of any numbers on my part. If anything is a “low tactic” is the what-about-ism that plagues every attempt at a discussion about the ongoing global Islamist insurgency.
In America we have a horrible problem of violence against health care providers carried out by those motivated by opposition to abortion. Surely you can see the problem with Islamist violence, since it has taken more lives just this month, and hundreds of times as many lives overall.
How much worse does it have to get before we can have this conversation without the constant stream of idiotic injections of “yeah but, yeah but, yeah but Fred Phelps said he hates fags!”.
WTF are you even talking about? I responded to a post quoting a cite which stated “In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people”. My response was “So, fewer than Islamists have killed this month”, which is a fact. Eleven is fewer than fourteen.
Hi urbanredneck,I think everyone is taking the Muslim thing too far myself. My own fiancé says that all Islamist are evil because its the teachings of the individual religion. I say its bullcrap. If a group of Baptist church goers drink poison and hold rattlesnakes that doesn’t mean all Baptists will. Not all Catholics are child rapist and sleep with hookers. Right? Islam is a religion of Peace and love,as is most. Christian Bible Prophets talk about stoning and murdering sinners all through out the Bible. All religions are based on the same characters and stories,only change is the language and the interpretation. Dont blame all Muslims for the actions of others
And I provided cites that non-Islamic terrorist attacks have been more common and more deadly for at least the past decade.
But if you are not on the side, arguing that Muslims are some how more violent due to the fact that they are Muslim you may want to state so. Your tit for tat stats make it look like you are attempting to justify islamophobia.
Exactly, for every ISIS there is a Phineas Priesthood. The problem is extremism and a dehumanization of those whom were born into or converted to a different mythology.
The one unifying them across these terrorists tends to be an extremely vitriolic hatred for those whom do not happen to fall in line with one particular world view.
That has been my whole point, do not vilify huge groups of peace loving people who do not share your beliefs just because a small number of true believers are willing to commit violence in the name name.
This is why the name of Fred Phelps is invoked so often, it is that hate that is the root cause not which book they find most holy.
I was responding to a particular sentence. You know, the one I quoted, and then quoted to you again. And the addition of the three people murder by Robert Dear still only brings it to the same number as were killed in one single attack less than a month ago. And you have the nerve to say "It is a pretty low debate tactic to game the numbers like that when the pain is still very fresh in the minds of the victims "? :eek:
You mean the one that starts counting right after Islamists murdered 3000 people? And then you have the nerve to say "It is a pretty low debate tactic to game the numbers like that " :eek:
Do you know what irony is? A tit for tat stat strategy is the only reason we are even discussing anti abortion violence or the set of all non-Islamic terrorism in a thread about people’s negative reactions upon seeing a niqab.
A phobia is an irrational fear. There is nothing irrational about having negative feelings towards the ideology that the niqab symbolizes, when that ideology contains so many horribly brutal and oppressive components, and so many have died and suffered and continue to suffer under it.
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