Are Americans losing it with Muslims?

No as the idea has no sense any more than the idea of the citation to ‘the average christian’ covering every christian from the Nigeria to the Ecuador, from the Nigerian protestant to the Ecuadoran catholic.
It is a stupid thing, showing gross ignorance.

No what is stupid and vapid is making sweeping assertions and showing that you have not even a basic idea about the way the religion works, the diversity of its schools, or even the ordinary practice in some leading countries. Requests and assertions that if made about a religion more famliar, like the christianity would immediately be obvious as grotesquely simple minded and illogical.

Super, and since there are three countries in the islamic world - they are the Sudan, the Saudis and the Iran, that have the actual legal restrictions on the choice of the clothing for us, well then you will then slink away in shame at your gross ignorance, yes?

More you need an education to understand that a fatwah is nothing more than opinion issued by a preacher (self-appointed).

And declarations. As any fatwa is not more than that in 99% of the islamic world legal systems - it has no force of law in the civil codes and so no force of ‘law’ with the courts or the police - there is in fact no difference at all.

Your confusion and ignorance do not make it law.

It is not even that in fact, it is an opinion on the religious ‘law’ but excepting the Saudi system and for them even only authorized issuers, it has no force of any law as that a court would enforce.

legal in the idea of the reilgious opinion.

What is ignorant is you making this statement.

On the beaches of the Tunis, the Morocco, the Turkey, the Lebanon women who are muslim wearing bikinis on their vacation. Your confusion and ignorance about what we wear and what is done only shows the superficial stereotypes and misinformation.

so no I do not think the supposed visits to the indonesia or the turkey have given him any insight into what the muslim women can or do wear.

Here is another good resource of christian terrorist acts.

http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/combating-hate/Right-Wing-Plots-Acts-Conspiracies-1995-2015.pdf

Also note this call to violence that while the original site finally did remove it proves that the claim that Christian church leaders are not making calls to violence is false.

http://defendchristians.org/commentary/im-islamaphobic-are-you/

This is from a minister in the Presbyterian Church in America.

Note how the “Reverend” Gary Cass is calling for:

AKA genocide!!!

This is CP, Nigerians are the black Africans so you know the opinion about them.

Exactly! And even in those countries, you blame the political leaders, not the fucking religion. It doesn’t matter if religion is where these leaders got their crazy notions from.

Just months ago before same sex marriage became law of the land, I was never pissed off at the religion, I was pissed at the law makers for using religion as their excuse to make laws against SSM.

Don’t get me wrong. do some Christians piss me off with their evangelical BS? Sure they do. But I don’t write the whole religion off due to a couple of nutcases.

Look, religion is like a tool. It’s up to the user to decide if they want to do good or bad with it. Choose wisely.

Yes it is amazing how well Eric Hoffer’s 1951 book The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements still applies.

While mass movements are a blend of nationalist, political and religious ideas. Hoffer makes two points great points I can think of off the top of my head that applies in this case. “All mass movements are competitive” and “all mass movements are interchangeable”

Meaning that it doesn’t matter what religion a person is, or what it is. The type of person who will seek them out will end up in one of them. Of course there is a problem with more general biases and fear which results in tragedies with a real human cost like the impact of irrational islamophobia limiting the western worlds ability to help out the current refugee crisis. This type of xenophobia is truly painful for me to watch. The Muslims are not being good muslims and the Christians are not being good christians and while they trade blows from their fearful caves of hate lots of good people die.

Hey, this is a good thread - keep pedalling!

Here is where you can buy a bikini in Malaysia, should you, well, choose. Here is their Indonesian site, too.

Not sure who said they were “parallel” or what you think that means.

Just wondering - do people in those National Geographic countries where women walk around topless talk about how we oppress our women by forcing them to wear tops?

I believe there’s been some miscommunication. You wrote “note how Chief Pedant’s arguments conveniently ignore the tenants of his own religion”, and cited a Bible passage - assuming that Chief Pedant was a Christian.

This is incorrect, Chief Pedant is an atheist.

That is all. No special exemptions or pleading.

Already covered this, still applies to he in-groups for the attribution error.

Ok, as long as we’re clear as to the error of yours I was objecting to, which you are weirdly reluctant to acknowledge.

The error does not effect the point or claim I was making…as long as we’re clear about that I will admit to being wrong about him being Christian. Look at his responses, he was clearly making special exceptions for the predominate religion in his home country.

WRONG in the UK thankfully we have strong laws to stop people printing that foul rubbish but I have heard some of my so called Christians comment that gays should be put down at birth, so I told them that I support woman Priests and Bishops as well as same sex marriage (and I do) far better to see them cough and splutter and go a funny colour than to rant and rave at them.

So it’s evil to coerce a woman out of a tight fitting T-shirt? :confused:

That runs counter to every teenage movie I have ever seen.

Well, the ones who get coerced out of their shirts are always the first ones to die in horror movies.

Well, that’s your problem right there.

Where they exist, gender specific prohibitions of exposed nipples are indeed oppressive to women, and are vestiges of the puritanical, shame based cultural norms which we have mostly transcended. These laws are controversial and have been opposed and overturned in many places.

You know we have those here, right?

Depends on where “here” is. Where they exist they are controversial and often protested. (warning: horrible, dangerous, insulting female nipples)