I got the vaccine at the same time as you cynobyte but haven’t had anything happen to me that isn’t age related. Do I have my facts wrong? I thought the vaccine wasn’t developed until right after the gulf war, or at least not used?
Oy, I’ve been trained(Gander-1985-101st, brother was on that plane), fighting the govment on a cover up, today specially, my experience says its a waste of time unless there is a privately owned corporation involved that the govment is willing to sacrifice as a scapegoat for victims to sue out of existence, then you MIGHT get a little cash.
Off to refresh my memory of the anthrax vaccine
James, bring me those new gears and a set of spanners for the babbage machine
Well, the reappearance of this thread has certainly caught me by surprise, but I am going to take this opportunity to follow up on my post because, ironically, I did have a reaction to the anthrax shot, and I do now have a chronic condition as a result.
In the 8 years since I posted that I have taken 8 anthrax shots in total. Shortly after the first one I developed a spot of psoriasis on my head. In the years since it has spread to the visible portion of my face, my arms, legs, back and scalp. If you took a picture of me prior to taking the first shot until now it’s pretty dramatic.
Would I do anything differently? Probably not. Hindsight being 20/20, I didn’t need to take the shot and get somewhat disfigured, as it were, but what if I had refused and they had tossed me, or God forbid I had been actually exposed to weaponized anthrax?
It’s a trade-off. I made my choice, and now I have to live with it. Them’s the breaks.
For what it’s worth, in 2003-2004, I probably got 10 anthrax shots, even though I think you’re supposed to get one every six months or every year.
This is because in the confusion of preparing for and then deploying to Iraq, the records weren’t kept properly. Every month, “Cube, you need to get another anthrax shot!”. “But didn’t I just get one?”
Got a few more when I went back to Iraq in 07 for good measure.
As far as I can tell I’m perfectly healthy. Unless maybe the anthrax shot is what caused me to gain a few pounds after I got out of the Army? That’s it, I’m calling my congressman!
anthrax vaccines have been being made since the 50’s and earlier.. some of these lots were made in the early 90’s.. I honestly dont remember the dates.. best place for the facts look up the lawsuits that were put against the gov to stop the shots..
as for taking the shots and not getting sick, some of my best friends got the same shots and didnt get sick.. but they have almost 15 years on me.. It has something to do with your genetics and how strong your immune system was at the time of the injections. then there is info on taking the shots at a period of time closer together..
The thing is there are people that are sick from it.. unlike a normal vaccine, by the percentages, If i got sick from one of those, I shouldnt know someone else who got sick from the same batch.. There are just too many of us that got sick.. It doesnt matter that you didnt get sick, we can only hope you will not get sick in the future.. it is simple to just check your blood and look for the 4 problems I mentioned above.. If all 4 are elevated, it could be the beginning.. when you get to my stage, the pain and progression now doubles every 5-6 months.. I have to be honest, the painkillers are not working and there is going to be a point I’m going to… lets just say I understand why the others committed suicide.. I only ask you help support us and bring this to light.. they will not help us and work on a cure until they admit this exists.. I have lost everything and that doesnt matter, I just want my health back..
Its not the breaks, your reaction was probably not the anthrax vaccine itself. It was the squalene or the other contaminants that were found it in.. This is what bioport was known for was their bad practices about making the shots.. then when you take something that was outdated and trying to reuse it, there is another problem in itself.. The anthrax shots are a series of protiens that the immune system identifies if I’m right. As you know protein doesnt last forever.. It will start to break down into other substances.. So, in theory if you were injected with an expired batch, you could have been injected with a whole different substance.. This is just my opinion!
I elected to get the shots too, I was you and believed the gov was doing it in our best interest. There was no anthrax over there.. but then the when the alegations that some of the gov officials that were pushing to give us the shots actually had stock in this is what really makes it fishy.. Not really fishy but just wrong.. I signed up and would have died for my country, but I am not going to die just so some greedy $%# makes a few bucks.. I consider that murder..
I might be looking at it wrong, but it should have been about protecting us, I just find info about people making money from them giving the shots.. That would give a reason to dust off expired batches.. I dont think they would have dusted them off and took a chance if no one was pushing it..
hope this makes sense, since changing my meds I have not been able to get out of bed today.. My head hurts from the heart meds..
dont be funny, just check your blood every few months.. hope you dont get it.. the newer shots should be better.. they used up all the old outdated stock.. so my theory shoud stand that you should be ok..l
psoriasis is common, but is immune related.. If it is from the anthrax, he will have more immune related diseases to come.. if not, it is probably just something else..
Yes, I’m sure. I don’t believe in coincidences. I took all the other shots with no issue, but not two weeks later after the anthrax shot I found my first lesion. I allow for the fact that I was genetically predisposed to it as my mother and grandmother both had it, but all the same I didn’t have it for the first 25 years of my life, and now I do.
if u feel it is from the anthrax, get your blood tested.. dont just stop there because the anthrax shots wont. you will get more conditions unless you work to stop it now..
If you got run over by a bus two weeks after your anthrax shot would you consider that a coincidence? (Not saying whether your psoriasis was or was not caused by the shot, just that “I don’t believe in coincidences” is a poor argument for it).
It seems that there is a lot of confusion here on issues with the vaccine.
First, MANY vaccines and even some other medications can trigger an autoimmune condition, as two here do have. It’s not necessarily the vaccine, purity or degradation, but due to the body misidentifying some part of itself as an intruder.
This can happen, on rare occasions, from vaccines or even from a disease itself.
Indeed, one relatively common disease from campylobacter jejuni infection, influenza, influenza vaccine administration and a few other vaccines (and a few other viral infections) is Guillain-Barré syndrome.
It comes down to a risk assessment. Is the risk from the disease being vaccinated against substantially greater than the negative effect. There are thousands of drugs, to include vaccines that never passed that muster.
Indeed, by today’s standard, smallpox vaccinations would be considered too dangerous to utilize! Progressive vaccinia occurred in 1:1000 children, per The Lancet and 6 in 1 million per the last CDC study of DoD personnel who were vaccinated against smallpox.
Indeed, a new treatment protocol has been adopted, after being shown to be highly successful against progressive vaccinia in one new service member. Previously, it was largely a death sentence, as the victim literally has NO immune response to the weakened vaccinia virus that they were innoculated with.
So, it is fairly likely that you both contracted an autoimmune disease from a faulty reaction by your bodies to the immunization. That said, it’s unlikely that you’ll EVER get a physician to stake their reputation on saying that in writing. Largely, because it’s impossible to prove that the vaccine was the actual cause, only that is a likely cause, as THEY did not vaccinate you and treat you ever since you were immunized, there is no chain of lab work from then until now, examining immune factors and to be honest, a general lack of knowledge STILL about the human immune system.
As for VA coverage, I still remember how most of the atomic veterans were never given additional health screenings for the remainder of their lives, only a small handful were, until a substantial number died off, THEN it was recognized.
Yet, the VA had tracked a handful ever since the tests (I met one once).
Then, I remember Agent Orange…
Getting run over by a bus does not stress the immune system, it simply kills you.
I get what you’re saying, but by your criteria nothing can ever be attributed to anything. The timing is such that, all other things being equal, it could be nothing else. I didn’t suddenly lose weight, I didn’t suddenly start exercising, I didn’t quit smoking, I didn’t change my diet… nothing changed, except for one thing. The anthrax shot.
Now, knowing it and proving it are two different things. Even now, in 2011, if you want to continue your career you do not challenge the shot. My flight surgeons have discussed this with me in confidence and they all tend to agree with me, but will that matter before a Medical Evaluation Board? Is it worth losing my career over? I’m stuck with it either way.
I just looked up psoriasis (not knowing much about it). The wikipedia article (i know but still) say’s there is a strong inheritance link to getting it and the typical age of first onset is 15-25. From what you said earlier both of these apply to you. So why on earth shouldn’t it be just coincedence?
There are a LOT of bacteria that have names starting with “myco”, it denotes an entire genus of bacteria including ones that cause such diseases as tuberculosis (Mycobacterium tuberculosis) and leprosy (Mycobacterium leprae) as well as other diseases. It’s like saying “some guy named Joe punched me in the nose” - it’s not really very helpful in getting to the bottom of things, although any suspected bacterial contamination in a vaccine is cause for concern.
However, I’m not sure what the deal is with “squalene”, which is a substance which occurs naturally in all plants and animals, including humans. Your concern is even more puzzling in that squalene is used as an immunological adjuvant to improve vaccines. In other words, it’s not a contaminant.
It would also be helpful if you’d provide links to objective sites regarding your claims of contaminated batches as well.
I could not find anything about this on the FDA website.
I don’t trust “findings” from lawsuits as the side presenting said “evidence” has a motivation to present the findings in such as manner as win their argument, not necessarily to find the real truth. Presenting something to a court does not automatically make it true.
I don’t deny your health problems. They aren’t imaginary. However, it hasn’t been proven (from my viewpoint) that a vaccination was the origin of your problems. It might be - people do have bad reactions to vaccines, after all - but I don’t know.
There are a LOT of bacteria that have names
mycoplasma= www.cdc.gov look it up with anthrax. they are kinda neutral, but its a start and more descriptive… most of the paperwork i have save were pdfs from medical journals… I cant find a direct link, I will find more links to send you to later…
It’s hard to prove the relation or what in the vaccine that caused it… My records show my health, bloodwork and what happend over the last decade since the shots…
In the beginning, I thought it was to do with the f117 that i worked with for 8 years, but then friends started getting the same symptoms that had no relation to this plane…
The problem is that many of the health problems you describe can have multiple causes. It’s like saying someone has a fever - well, OK, it’s real, but is it due to a viral infection? extreme exertion? bacteria? cancer?
Again, I’m not denying the validity of your situation, I’m just not convinced that vaccines are the cause of multiple people having multiple symptoms. It might be in your case. Or in your case the ultimate origin of your health issues may be something else. Yes, I tend to be skeptical, but if there is proof I’m willing to accept it - I just demand a high quality of evidence.
My friend, If you could help me, I would send you all my medical info.. You would have to have a medical background enough to navigate through it. I understand where you are comming from.. There are a few that come to me and I have sent elsewhere. Just we all served together at one time. I would stand up for you like I have others when the time has come.. I just ask for people to do the same for me.. take care all..
So, it is fairly likely that you both contracted an autoimmune disease from a faulty reaction by your bodies to the immunization. That said, it’s unlikely that you’ll EVER get a physician to stake their reputation on saying that in writing. Largely, because it’s impossible to prove that the vaccine was the actual cause, only that is a likely cause, as THEY did not vaccinate you and treat you ever since you were immunized, there is no chain of lab work from then until now, examining immune factors and to be honest, a general lack of knowledge STILL about the human immune system.
As for VA coverage, I still remember how most of the atomic veterans were never given additional health screenings for the remainder of their lives, only a small handful were, until a substantial number died off, THEN it was recognized.
Yet, the VA had tracked a handful ever since the tests (I met one once).
Then, I remember Agent Orange…
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I think it was my immune system not able to take the anthrax vaccine. I have several letters now written by several doctors on my behalf staking their reputation. They can link the subtile problems I was being seen by the hospital after each shot to the timeline of symptoms afterwards. It can be a whole timeline with and end at the anthrax shots. Luckily with my documentation, it is too clear. I had a va rater tell me to give up on the anthrax vaccine causing it, just show that my current condition started at the times i can prove i went to the hospital for the beginning symptoms of systemic lupus. Which was caused by the anthrax shots, but as long as i dont say anthrax, they will give me 100 percent and more perks. Even the VA endocrenologist has me getting more benifits than i should be getting without the va disablity yet because she and my primary doctor there know the truth and treat it as such now. hope this helps all that are trying to get help from the va and having problems saying it is the anthrax…
last thing, the is an oklahoma group that was paid 26 million to find out why the anthrax shots causes systemic lupus in people. If you read that statement you should see a confession there! I have contacted that doctor now and found a treatment that is less radical than mine. I was lied to by an army hospital that these people didnt exist, I feel like filing a complaint against them because they endangered my life by hiding this research group that has been working with this army medical group for over 7 years now on it!
Look, if you think you the anthrax vaccine has affected you, your symptoms should all be immune related. If fatigue and mental problems occur, I can almost guarentee you that you will find white cortical masses in your brain. The doctors at this point will tell you that you have als or multiple sclerosis, but dont show any other symptoms.
if you still think the anthrax vaccine is safe, here is the doctor with the treatment for the side effects, it will slow the progression down, until you die by organ failure or suicide. this is one disease that is guarenteed to protect you from growing old. her name is Judith James, MD, PhD. at least someone is working on it, but there is no cure, just slows it down like the aids drugs…
night all, I slept 22 hrs yesterday and going back to sleep. Chemo after the 1st year starts to make you bitter and give up… I’m either sick from it still or when the weather changes…