And emus. Don’t forget emus.
Emus are definitely creatures of Morgoth.
Austrian <> German
Anyone who studies this knew differently. Not that they could have predicted the exact outcome, but WWII was only a few decades earlier, and the history lingered.
But to the point at hand. Unless you’re contemplating Anschlus 2.0, who cares? And if you are contemplating it, leave us the hell out of it. You guys with your concern about “ethnic purity” and such. We’re all a bunch of mutts over here in the New World. We want no more of your ethnic rivalries that turn into World Wars.
John Mace, I believe you’re fighting the wrong person here - Donnerwetter never said anything about Anschluss 2.0 or how Austrians are really Germans, in fact, he provided the cite that apparently finally made our friend GermanicPride shut up.
I’ll just let these two gems of yours speak for themselves. Oh, and your comment in your other thread "All the other rubbish myths, rumours about him[Hitler].
Your claim of 4.5 million being lowered to 1.5 million is bullshit, and it is a well known Holocaust denier gambit.
Over two weeks after the Germans did, and to carry out a secret partition agreed to with Germany before the German invasion.
So if the Danzig Corridor was all he was interested in, why didn’t he just take that? Why was the German occupied half incorporated into the Greater German Reich? Considering Hitler’s history of breaking treaties, pacts, and agreements left and right, the broken record of ‘this being his last demand’ and what happened to Czechoslovakia, as well as everything he’d written in Mein Kampf and all of his speeches calling for lebensraum only an idiot would think he was only interested in a tiny part of Poland to redress Germany’s grievances.
I think I’ll end on this quote of yours for your crocodile tears at being called out as a Holocaust denier:
Ooooh, do we have a good Denier thread on our hands?
Shredding Creationist and Truther claims gets old.
I’d suggest that the OP start a new thread titled “Hitler was misunderstood.” His central theory could be that, if Hitler won, then massive, systemic, factory-style genocide of 11 million human beings wasn’t evil. And it didn’t happen anyways, so there.
Relax. As I pointed out, this is all history. I’m glad to hear that there are no ethnic tensions in the New World whatsoever. And now let’s all hold hands and sing Kumbaya 
Even more telling if you check the quote is the part of the quote that he omitted. I wonder why he didn’t want to include what was inbetween “figures who ever lived… he had a mystery.”
I feel sorry for Holocaust deniers. Here there was this thing that happened that as far as they’re concerned was a great thing, a *terrific *thing, and instead of singing its glories to the world, they have to bend over backward denying it even existed! It’s sad, kind of.
What the hell, here’s the whole quote (from Wikiquotes). Omitted portion bolded and italicized:
He’s posted in the thread, but then left again. I’ll take
- Never has the guts to return
If he did come back, I’d pick
- May 12 2012
You call yourself “GermanicPride” and German-ness means so much to you that you start threads on message boards about it but you can’t actually say with any specificity what being German even means, can you? All you can do is point to vague concepts like “heritage” and “ethnicity”. I ask you to point to simple objective factors that would allow me to tell if someone was German. I even give you examples of the sort of factors you could reference. You can’t do it.
I was using the generic “you”, not directed at Donnerwetter specifically.
If I could steer the conversation away from the whole “let’s see how many people think Hitler was jerk,” I’d like to mention that while I think/hope most people here don’t give a rat’s ass what ethnicity someone (or some group) is, I think there is a certain emptiness to defining people based on nationality (which is arbitrary, mutable, and ultimately kind of meaningless).
I think if I were to ask - are those people Austrian, Catalonian, English, whatever - I’d be more curious about their culture than anything else. Obviously, language will be a big part of this - but so will a lot of other things. What food do they eat? What music do they listen to? What stories did they grow up with? These things kind of shape and define who we are - and kind of gets to the idea of self-identification in a lot of ways. It also explains, to some degree, how a group can be German, and then not be. Think about recent immigrants to the US - it would make sense for them to perhaps define themselves as German first, and American second. But over generations, it’s very likely that they will be American first, and German second (or not at all). Of course, there’s no guarantee, but they (as a family, a group, whatever) are in control of their destiny here - it’s all about the life they choose to live.
I don’t know, just a thought.
To the OP: Are the people of Kaliningrad ethnically German? Argue both sides.
Yes, I personally consider Austrians (along with the Swiss and other ethnic Germans) to be part of the German ethnicity and perhaps nation although not the German state. At any rate, if Germany and Austria opted for Anschuluss 2.0, what would be the problem? The Anschluss of 1938 was only opposed by most Austrians because it would result in a takeover by the Nazis, up until after World War II, most Austrians wanted a Grossdeutschland with them in.
Similarly descendents of Englishmen and those largely assimilated as “Anglos” here, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Rhodesia etc. are of the English ethnicity.
Not the way I hear “Anglo” used in the western US (typically as an antonym for “Latino”). I’m second generation Polish, but I’m decidedly an Anglo in the context of this area.
Even if one is Polish by ancestry one can be ethnically “Anglo” in the sense of being largely assimilated by speaking English fluently and being in everyday indistinguishable from someone whose ancestors all came from the Mayflower.
No. The Mayflower folk were English, not “Anglo”, which is a lay term in the US* for someone who is white and not Hispanic.
And whether you consider Austrians to be ethnically German is of no import. The only thing that matters is what the Austrians think. If they think of themselves as a different ethnic group from Germans, then they are. That’s the basic and most workable definition of an ethnic group.
*Especially in the Southwest
That’s cultural. It doesn’t change my ethnicity a whit.
Why? What is German ethnicity? What are the objective factors of determining (German) ethnicity? How is it different from nationhood, citizenship, residence, and linguistic groupings?
And so what?
Are you sure about that? What about African-Americans? What ethnicity are they?