Within my lifetime, the consensus surrounding “ethnicity” of people in my generation who share my background has veered among “Bengali,”“Indian,” “Asian Indian,” “South Asian,” “Asian,” “Bengali-American,” “Indian-American,” “Asian American,” “Asian or Pacific Islander,” and “South Asian American.” I wouldn’t be surprised to encounter least once more mutation in my lifetime. What does that tell you about the mutability of ethnicity?
Do they have blond hair and blue eyes like all good ethnically pure Germans?
Germanicpride is silly.
No bashing of Hitler is unnecessary. He started a horrible war that left tens of millions dead and he presided over an attempt to utterly destroy more than one entire people. That there are occasional errors published regarding Hitler is probably true, but any bashing done in error is more than compensated for the way that he has escaped other deserved bashings.
If you are going to select quotes from Holocaust deniers, (which is what the Institute for Historical Review was established to do), then you would be better served to track down the full quotation that is not truncated:
Written by John F. Kennedy
Special Correspondent for the Hearst Newspapers
after a visit to Berchtesgaten
I know a great many Canadians who speak English, but I don’t actually know very many Canadians who are ethnically English. Canadians who can identifiably trace most or all of their roots to England are the distinct minority. You’ve got Scots, Irish, German, Italian, Portuguese, Greek, Indian, Russian, Pole, Ukranian, and God knows what else.
I think it obvious that speaking English does not make one ethnically English or even make it very likely, as English is too much of a global language for that to be the case anymore.
And on that note, I’m a non-blond, non-blue-eyed person with some Austro-Hungarian ancestry myself. The OP might be defining me as part ethnically German, and I am not sure that’s what people who think like the OP are after.
Especially if you’ve never even been close to England. Then, there’s the whole monarchy thing. Maybe not so much a big deal for Canadians, but a big deal for Americans. We may be fascinated by English Royalty, but we are not subjects.
Like I said earlier, the idea that I’m ethnically English is laughable on the face of it.
You’re just showing off now, aren’t you? 
Yep and therein lies the rub, even some Slavic people can trace their roots back to early Germanic tribesmen.
Ethnicity in Europe is a very tricky thing and the last bloke who tried to this got shot…
I don’t see how it is seen as denying, I do agree the Holocaust happened just not till the extent of what is told, many things don’t add up, there is no traces of gas, many survivors have been exposed as frauds, the figures have been dropped incredibly and to top it all of if it’s such a historical fact why can nobody question it without being jailed? Why should you go to jail for denying a historical ‘fact’…you are not invited to open the package and just accept what is told…makes no sense at all, and no if you say the 4-5 million of other Jews then that would mean the original figure was 9 million it wasn’t it was 6 million and they lowered the number from 4 million (Auschwitz only) to 1.5 million so minus the 2.5 million you then only have 3.5 million altogether - and the funny thing is as well is that the original 6 million figure has been used prior to the Holocaust and it comes from the Soviets.
I shouldn’t be labelled a denier for something that is a fact, it was lowered.
It wasn’t one of the worst at all, what about Stalin…Pol Pot…Jews to the Palestinians and so on and so on…
The quote is used a lot even click the “book” section on Google… JFK did say that - many other people quoted Hitler as a good man, history is written by the winners.
I never said I was German myself, Germanic and German are two different things… Germans are Germanic but not all Germanic peoples are Germans, capiche?
I said simply; of German ancestry, of the German people…it is not exclusive to the country Germany as we call it now.
…? :o
See how you’re now trying to be all funny and sarcastic…stay on the topic about Austrians being Germans not political affiliation or just Hitler.
I did say this, since the end of WW2 the Austrians have quite easily denied their German roots and deny their wanting for the Anschluss.
Ethnicity doesn’t change - do you understand what an ethnic group is? Austrians share a common ancestry with the Germans of Germany, same language, same culture (especially in Bavaria and other Southern Germany parts) etc etc.
Exactly…why would a rump-state label itself that if they didn’t see themselves as Germans and want to be part of Germany?
Nobody mentions a second Anschluss, quit putting words in my mouth you moron.
Do you have to swear to get your point across? I pity you. :smack:
I work, I don’t sit on the computer all day…
It’s not Holocaust denial at all - the people done this themselves at Auschwitz and the same as the gas chamber in Auschwitz is fake which is re-constructed, why shouldn’t you be allowed to have an open mind and decide for yourself the truth…without being automatically accused of being anti-Semitic and a Holocaust denier, these words are made up words… grow up.
That part of Germany was unfairly given to the Poles after the end of WW1 he had every right to want it back, they wouldn’t let him - the innocent Germans were also getting massacred in Danzig, wouldn’t you want to protect your people? The living space for the German people was a Greater Germanic Reich and eventually into Eastern Europe yes but he did not want war with Britain or France, he was just as much cause to blame for WW2 than any other leader of that time.
So because I state a fact that the number was lowered I am now all of a sudden a denier…great!
Hitler is misunderstood, he was a great leader and a good man.
Stalin and the commies have caused more genocide than Hitler and National Socialism.
Hitler didn’t even order the deaths of Jews… there is not one single document written or signed by Hitler ordering any deaths to Jews, prove me wrong.
I did… 
How is it automatically Holocaust denial to state that the numbers in Auschwitz was lowered? How can you take away 2.5 million and still keep the overall 6 million figure?
I have a job… I don’t sit on here constantly checking for replies, I will do in my own time like I am now.
The Germans are not exclusive to the country Germany, a German is someone is of German ethnicity and considers himself German, is a dog born in a stable a horse?
Not all Germans look the same you know this, but as long as you are from an ethnic German family - you are German.
In 1938 the Anschluss wasn’t opposed by most Austrians, 99.73% of the Austrians voted for it.
Even in 1918 the Republic of German-Austria (Republik Deutschösterreich) seen people voting to be part of Germany… it was just forbid.
Culture is a part of ethnicity.
Being of German heritage is being of German ethnicity…is this some sort of windows licker question?
Citizenship you can change…that is where you can rightfully be a citizen of that country.
Residence…is where you can say.
Linguistic is to do with ethnicity as well.
You are silly for even saying that…been listening to too much anti-Nazi propaganda eh? Anyways, Hitler had blue eyes so
Grow up.
GermanicPride, I’m not sure how you can keep up your argument after being presented with the facts. The Austrians themselves no longer consider themselves German, so they’re not. Maybe we share a language and a cultural history, but that doesn’t keep them from developing a distinct national identity, whatever that means.
Your argument is ultimately circular - a German is someone of German ethnicity. A dog born in a stable is not a horse, no, but neither can a dog breed with horses. The same cannot be said about human “races” or ethnicities. I don’t think you could show any overall genetic differences between German, French, Austrian or Czech people. Culture, which is the only other factor determining ethnicity, changes over time, and if the Austrians don’t consider themselves German, they’re not. Do you consider the descendants of the pilgrims in the US to be English? Are all Argentinians Spanish?
I’m also baffled by your number games, how in the world is 1.5 million killed in one facility not outrageously, comic-book-villain-like evil? Even if I were to believe Hitler never personally signed a piece of paper, do you seriously believe he didn’t know about what happened at Auschwitz and dozens of other facilities all over the country? And if he knew about it and didn’t stop it (I know, this argument sounds ridiculous, but I’m trying to go in your direction here), how does that not make him one of the most evil people that ever lived?
Maybe you didn’t read the full Kennedy quote that was provided for your reading pleasure, including the snipped beginning, but I also don’t see how Kennedy is praising Hitler or calling him a good man. Can you provide one of the “many other” quotes that praise Hitler? I sure am curious.
Well, aside from the fact that you’re quite obviously a Holocaust Denier, care to elaborate on how anti-semitism is a “made up” word? Been quite some time since it was a neologism and it’s got a perfectly comprehensible definition. You might also want to take note, this is not our first rodeo. You are using predictable, tired, worn, Holocaust Denier tactics.
Yep.
Indeed, a genocidal, racist, warmongering lunatic who attempted to exterminate multiple groups of people. What’s not to love? Next some liberal bleeding heart is going to argue that Hitler’s rabid Conspiracy Theorizing in Mein Kampf illustrates some sort of psychological flaw, instead of realizing that reality is the original Rorschach and Adolph was just a wonderfully creative interpreter. But, you can hold Hitler up high. His brand of murderous insanity was not quite as lethal as Stalin’s brand of murderous insanity. Obviously, that makes it good.
You may as well go back to Stormfront, nobody here is stupid enough to buy your load of horseshit. You are a holocaust denier. Your claim that the number of people murdered at Auschwitz was originally 4 million but reduced to 1.5 million is utter horseshit. Try reading the link I gave you, this claim is completely untrue but frequently spouted by holocaust deniers such as yourself.
Utter horseshit, straight from the propaganda ministry of Herr Goebbels.
Hang on a second, you* just *said Hitler only wanted the Danzig corridor. You do realize that there were already people living in Poland and Russia, right? How do you imagine the Nazis planned on making room in this Germanic lebensraum? Oh yeah, genocide, that bit you keep trying to deny.
No, you’re a holocaust denier because you are denying the holocaust. Tell you what? Why don’t you go to your beloved Germany and try spouting this bullshit. You do know what will happen to you, right?
Because this statement is patently false, yet thrown about by holocaust deniers such as yourself. Here, take a look. There is no missing 2.5 million.
Debating the numbers with you is a waste of time because I have no reasonable expectation you’ll do so in an honest and consistent manner.
To summarize:
Approximate total Jewish death toll at the Auschwitz facilities: ~1.5 million
Approximate total Jewish death toll of the systematic extermination effort collectively known as The Holocaust, including Auschwitz: ~5.5 - 6 million
I’m not sure who originally put the Auschwitz total at 4 million (though Rudolf Hoess, the first Commandant of Auschwitz, seemed okay with an estimate of three million). I’m unclear on why this is important.
And I remain unclear on why classifying Austrians as ethnically German is important. One can create a definition whereby they are, and a definition whereby they are not.
If I stopped considering myself a human would that stop me being human? You cannot change facts, ethnicity is your ancestry and Austrians are Germans that way, it seems to be the Austrians way of thinking the self-hating ones that “Hitler wasn’t Austrian, he was German” or the self-hating Germans (of Germany) “Hitler wasn’t German, he was Austrian” it makes me crack up.
Yes a German is someone of ethnic German ancestry… well done!
A dog born in a stable isn’t a horse is basically meaning don’t confuse someone’s nationality with someone’s ethnicity.
Einstein wasn’t ethnically German…he was Jewish ethnically - but was a German born citizen - I said this earlier on.
Sure, many people quote Hitler as a good man which he was; he wasn’t times man of the year for no reason.
Secondly the number toll is very vital because the Jews always play the sympathy card and love to spam the “six million” figure constantly - which has been used several times before Hitler was even put into power in 1933.
Auschwitz is not in Germany it is in Poland do you not mean German occupied areas?
There is not one single document written or signed by him giving any orders to kill Jews so how can you hold him responsible besides being head of the Reich?
Hitler didn’t even hate all Jews, his family’s doctor Eduard Bloch was Jewish and he gave him extra protection when Austria was annexed in 1938, he had over 150,000 serving for him in the army (Hitler’s Jewish soldiers), one of the “ideal Aryans” was shown for propaganda purposes was also part Jewish. He also let thousands emigrate over to Palestine in the Haavara Agreement.
Have you also read up on the Madagascar Plan idea?
There is lots of quotes by people to Hitler, this is one of my best ones;
“I have never met a happier people than the Germans and Hitler is one of the greatest men. The old trust him; the young idolise him. It is the worship of a national hero who has saved his country.”
You need to stop believing all the propaganda about him which is allied and war time propaganda totally, there is two versions of Hitler, you evidently are believing the made up created version.
Zionist scumbags.
And the Kennedy quote still shines a light to Hitler.
"Gentlemen! - Never forget this: Your names will long be forgotten even before your bodies have rotted away in the earth. But the name Adolf Hitler will still be a light in the darkness.
You cannot murder him by drowning his memory in your sick-buckets and you cannot strangle him with your filthy, ink-stained fingers. His name exists forever in hundreds of thousands of souls. You are far too insignificant to even touch him.
He loved Germany, he fretted over Germany. When he fought for honour and respect he fought for German Honour, for respect for Germany and when there was nothing left, he gave his life for Germany.
What have you given so far? Which one of you would give his life for Germany? The only things you care about are riches, power and never ending luxurious living. When you think of Germany, you think of indulging your senses without responsibility, without cares?
Trust me on this: The Fuhrer’s utter unselfishness in word and deed alone guarantees his immortality. The fact that the bitter fight for Germany’s greatness wasn’t crowned by success, like for example Cromwell’s in Britain, has a lot to do with the mentality of the people involved.
On the one hand the Englishman’s character is essentially unfair, ruled by jealousy, self-importance, and a lack of consideration. But he never forgets he is an Englishman, loyal to his people and to his crown. On the other hand, the German with his need for recognition is never first and foremost a German.
Therefore it doesn’t matter to you, you insignificant beings, if you destroy the entire nation. Your only guiding thought will always be, me first - me second - me third.
In your worthlessness you will never think of the welfare of the nation - and with that pitiful philosophy you wish to prevent the immortality of a giant?
What I wrote down immediately after the war has been proven to be correct. That my convictions are true is evident even as late as 1957.
Signed, Paula Hitler, Berchtesgaden , May, 1st. 1957
I’ve read the link you moron it even says what I said… the numbers were changed, better still - do you have any evidence that the exact numbers were six million killed?
Check your sources from where it came from… the Soviets - yeah real evidence! :dubious:
Hitler is used as a punch bag in the media, history is written by the winners you cannot deny this - he cannot defend himself so the Zionists love to push propaganda about him around, he has been dead for decades now and still gets more media attention then some celebs out there because it’s easier to hate him than like him because of post-1945 the bullshit spread about him.
Did Hitler kill anyone but himself? No, not even in WW1.
You clearly don’t like the truth and now are crying because I’m challenging you then tell me to go to Stormfront, nice logic there.
I’m a Holocaust denier because I state the facts about the number changes? I’ve read your article it’s from a Jewish propaganda website, does it have any actual proof six million altogether died besides Soviet propaganda? More Germans died and more Jews died from natural diseases like Anne Frank one of the most famous “killed” in the Holocaust.
How do you explain this -
In a letter published in a January issue of The Stars and Stripes, a newspaper for US military service personnel, Simon Wiesenthal re-confirmed, in passing, that “there were no extermination camps on German soil” during the Second World War. He made the identical statement in a letter published in the April 1975 issue of the British periodical Books and Bookmen.
Also here he is exposed as a liar.
It’s not propaganda neither, innocent Germans were killed in Danzig - is everything “propaganda” to you unless it comes from the victors and the Jews eh?
You’re only saying go to Germany and say it because you know it’s illegal so please answer me this -
Why is it illegal to deny the Holocaust if it’s a historical “fact” - yet you can deny 9/11 or the Armenian genocide for example?
Jog on.
The truth is hate to those who hate the truth, people like you I have sympathy for to be fair, the numbers is an exaggerated myth with no evidence, in fact have any Jews even been tested and proven to have died from gassing? 
Prove me wrong.
No, Austrians are Germans - there is no definition where you can say they are not.
Don’t confuse nationality/citizenship with ethnicity.
Austrian Germans (98% of people in Austria) are just as German as a Bavarian German (Bavarians from Germany), capiche? 
Fiction. It states that the soviets put the total at 4 million and that was virtually immediately and widely discounted, and accurate assessments of roughly 1.1 - 1.5 million have been the standard.
Of course, we could note how you’re using “Zionist” as code for “Jew”, but really, you’re a proud supporter of Adolph Hitler. Your linguistic gaming isn’t exactly going to stand out, mmm?
As proven, you did not state the facts, you distorted them and pretended that Soviet propaganda was scholarly consensus when in fact that actual scholarship on the subject gainsaid the Soviet claims rapidly and thoroughly. As for " Jewish propaganda", it’s a website dedicated to preserving the facts of the Holocaust against the lies of anti-Semites and Holocaust Deniers. Seems like a pretty good purpose. Of course, your argument is deeply and fundamentally deceptive, to the point where you claim that an imprisoned person who died of disease due to lack of proper care, nourishment, housing (etc) was not in fact killed by the Nazis. Additionally you pretend that the six million figure, which is about as accurate as we can get, is a “Soviet” figure. Anybody who knows anything about the Holocaust knows that claim is wildly false.
In any case, what, exactly, does it matter if a web site is “Jewish”? Care to elaborate on the actions of the Jews and “Zionists”?
That the site you are using, IHR, are Holocaust Denying liars and frauds.
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Ah well, we can continue this in the Pit shortly, I’m sure. This thread won’t stick around in GD for long.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, probably a duck.
Damn. May 12, 2012
So lets say my father, Ernst, whose family has been in Magdeburg since at least 1631 marries a jewish woman from America, Rebecca Cohen, and they emigrate to Australia.
What am I, ducky? Bonus points if you have the balls to say Mischling.
I’m sure this is some real idiom in your native language.
He was Times Man of the Year because he was a good liar.
Oops. Mask fell off. Also, reported
Window-licker is American slang. It essentially means “retard”.
Does this forum even have a moderator anymore? Why in the world should we still be playing “pile on the Nazi” for a week?
Having repugnant views is not against the SDMB rules, and the really egregious Nazi bullshit came in the last 24 hours or so. I’m reasonably certain that we’ll end up in the Pit shortly.
I’ve not changed anything these people did it themselves it is Soviet propaganda, nothing more, nothing less.
There is no real evidence that it was six million, google “six million myth” you will see what I mean; this figure has been used several times by the vermin.
If a website is Jewish it will obviously be propaganda about the alleged Holocaust crimes, I don’t deny it didn’t happen but the methods and what is told is not all true, in fact the word “Holocaust” and “genocide” are both created after 1945 and from the Jews.
Key word is “probably” - you moron.
Yes you’re a Mischling, why do I have to have balls to say that… you mutt.
No it means you’re a retard.
He was times man of the year because he was a liar…yes that makes sense! :smack: Grow up you’re just upset.