Are Baretta and Luger hand-guns the same thing?

No, it’s the official written decision of the QB judge, referring to it as a Luger. Not a reporting error.

You will have noticed that I keep referring to this guy as “the deceased”. :smiley:

This one dates to the early 80s, so likely not the current output. Thanks.

You can still get a Darwin award if you shoot your wang off.

Then, presumably a civilian rifle, look into SL7/HK770, G3/HK41.
Maybe SR9, I think that was 1990.

Another name for 9mm Parabellum, is in fact, 9mm Luger. It’s named after the inventor of the round, Georg Luger. This designation for the 9x19 cartridge is used by several official firearms and ammunition associations. It is possible that whomever referred to the gun as a Luger was confusing it with the type of ammunition that was used. The most common Berettas are chambered in 9mm Luger.

It’s a Canadian judge, so it’s pretty good odds he’s never seen a handgun in his life, much less been schooled in the nomenclature. :smiley:

Yes.

Would you share a link to the incident?

I detect some disdain for this type of carry. It is a very real and often necessary means to conceal and carry a handgun. But there are handguns that are better at being “belly guns.” A gun with a long barrel is actually better since the overall length of the weapon makes sure it is (don’t laugh) snagging onto something, besides the tension of one’s belly fat against your belt. Conversely, a snubby revolver or a small automatic has this embarrassing tendency to slip down from the belt and wound its way down your pant leg.

Some folks carry with no holster. It has some advantages:
if you’re not supposed to have a gun you can dump it and there’s no evidence if you get stopped.

You don’t have to buy a holster

You have to opportunity to shoot yourself if it snags on something. Happened to some football player not too long ago.

It can drop down so it falls on the ground.

You should carry in a secure holster that covers the trigger.

No disdain, just curiosity. I’ve only held a pistol in my hands once in my life, so I’m in no position to be snooty and superior.

It just seemed like it would be uncomfortable to wear a pistol in your waistband.

I’d guess that a lot of people like me, who mostly know about handguns from popular culture, might associate Beretta mainly with James Bond’s 418, which is titchy.

It certainly is. As you’d expect for any pistol firing the .25 ACP cartridge. As a relic of popular culture, that Beretta did get replaced by the PPK by the beginning of Dr. No, so he didn’t have it that long.

OTOH, the Model 92, as the M9, has been the US armed forces’ service pistol since the early 1980s, with the occasional SIG-Sauer P228 in use as the M11. If you’ve seen a soldier, marine or sailor with a pistol in the last 35 years or so, it’s very likely been an M9.

And, just because Stranger was about the only poster to allude to the misspelling in the documents Northern Piper was discussing, here’s the Candyman singing Baretta’s Theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HNWhVXcjV8

Well, some of us still read books, you know ;). He had the Beretta in the first five novels, and it turns up in role-playing games and so forth.

It is, even in a holster. But if you want to fully conceal a pistol, it is about the only practical way short of wearing a parka.

Stranger

IWB carry doesn’t have to be uncomfortable. It is largely a matter of doing a few things right.

  1. Buy pants larger to leave room for the gun.
  2. Buy a good holster, not a nylon POS from Wally World. Kydex and horsehide are preferred. Shit holsters are excessively thick, don’t support the gun well, and move around on the belt.
  3. Buy a good, stiff belt that will support the gun and keep it from shifting. Many of the quality holster makers can supply you with one. Clothing store belts are seldom stiff enough for the purpose.
  4. If possible choose a weapon with a flatter profile over more chunky pieces. Length of the gun has less impact on carry comfort than does thickness. If the gun is an issue piece that you must carry, then this isn’t an option.

Good carry gear isn’t cheap. You should expect to spend at least a couple hundred dollars for the holster, belt, and perhaps a mag holder.

Plaxico Burress, unless there are others more recently (there probably are).

*With a **proper *holster and belt, it can be almost unnoticeable except for the weight, and you would eventually get used to that too.

.25 is still popular in a line of universally shitty Saturday Night Specials.

That’s different. Not doubting that with the proper equipment, carrying is pretty easy.

But here, the deceased didn’t have a belt and holster. He had it tucked into his waistband, between his pants and underwear, as far as I can tell.

Hey, who do think rubber-stamps the occasional massive gun-confiscation drives we have up here??!?

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Beretta still makes some very high quality .25 pistols. FN still makes the Baby Browning.
Taurus makes a .25 that sells well enough that they keep producing it. There are also scads of good quality Colts, Walthers, and other 1st line manufacturer .25’s still in service. Damn few of them ever got shot enough to wear out, I expect. The .25 is alive and well and not just in “Ring of Fire” guns.