Since the advent of the truly pocket-sized .32 and .380 pistols, the demand for new .25 pistols has decreased. Beretta and FN, first line manufacturers, find them profitable enough to keep producing them. And, as I said, there are an awful lot of .25’s out there from previous eras that are still in use. i said it was alive and well, not that it was in great demand.
Find it hard to search and link when I’m on my phone.
Plus, it’s a terrible story. Four young Mounties dead in 5 minutes; worst loss of life by violence in the RCMP’s history. Deceased tried to get away; got shot and badly wounded by a fifth Mountie; killed himself:
Mayerthorpe Tragedy
Two accomplices pled to manslaughter for giving him a rifle and driving him to the murder scene:
R v Hennessey; R v Cheeseman - Queen’s Bench decision; see para. 11 for Luger tucked in waistband.
Fatality inquiry goes into it in detail:
Here’s a news article with a picture of two of the guns he had: the pistol, and a Winchester hunting rifle that he got from his accomplices. Not the Heckler & Koch.
Thank you for posting the Report to the MoJ and the A.G., It was extremely informative. Ambushed 4+ Mounties with an HK 91 rifle, and damned near killed two more. Good thing Constable Vigor was on the ball.
The 22LR is likely to cause more infection as most of the bullets are lubed with grease. This grease tends to carry more debris for whatever clothing or other objects it passes through on the way into the body. The 25ACP is metal jacketed and may leave a cleaner wound channel.
Of course I’d prerfer being shot with neither one.
I don’t remember the model but I had a Baretta .25 I carried all the time way back in 1957-8. Really reliable little weapon. Great pocket weapon. I wish I still had it. :: sigh :::
Wife has a little .32 semi-auto that is almost as good and is a great pocket weapon also.
As always, know what they are good for and don’t hunt bears or such with them.
John M Browning reputedly designed the .25 as a more reliable replacement for the .22 in really small automatic pistols. Accordingly, he made it centerfire and rimless. Because of the rimless design, it uses bullets that fit inside the case mouth rather than the heeled bullets found in the .22lr. I have seen plain cast lead .25 bullets and hollowpoint .25 bullets, but most are, as you say, metal jacketed that improves feeding. In any event, Browning’s improvements still make the .25 a better choice in tiny automatics to this day. Both rounds rely exclusively on penetration for wounding at the velocities achieved from really short pistol barrels. Any mushrooming of hollow points just reduces penetration without really increasing the wound channel to a valuable degree. The metal jacket can actually be considered a feature, in that respect.
I am not an expert, or even an aficionado of Luger values. However, there are easily findable resources where you could find the value of your pistol. AIUI, collectors prize pistols that are rare, in outstanding condition, where all of the serial numbers match, for all parts—and the list of parts that are numbered is considerable. See, for example, this quote from a collectors’ discussion board about Luger parts. GUIDE TO BUYING AND UNDERSTANDING LUGERS | Gun Values Board
A lot more numbered parts than I suspected, but I’ve never owned a Luger. Condition is very important. 95%+ is often seen for the really pricey versions.
If your pistol has all of these features, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see a value in the 1500 dollar plus range, vs a “shooter” Luger which would be worth much less. This Houston gun store (http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/lugers/?sort=newest&page=1), which is really more of a museum than a place you’d actually buy a gun, IMHO, has several Lugers in the 1700-8800 dollar range. Great place to browse though, and the staff is usually friendly.
Gunbroker also has Lugers for sale, and is another way of seeing what these guns are selling for right now.
Edit: Scumpup, all else remaining equal, isn’t the muzzle velocity on .22LR usually higher than that for .25ACP? Yet the muzzle velocity is usually low enough that the bullet doesn’t usually fragment? The reason I ask is that .22LR has a reputation for penetrating, while .25ACP definitely doesn’t, yet the sectional densities for typical bullets in both, 40 grain and 50 grain, is supposed to be really close.
When fired from barrels of the same length, performance is about equal. The .22 benefits from having pistols and rifles with longer barrels available. Other than a couple of bizarre European revolvers from the 1920s, I’ve never seen anything other than small automatics that use the .25. Those revos were tiny, too. Anyway, firing a .22 from even a four inch barrel will boost the velocity above what a .25 with a two inch barrel yields. This short article deals with the topic