Are CDs already obsolete?

A DVD is the same size as a CD. With the release of DVDs which can hold hours upon hours of audio on one disc, it seems kinda odd that a CD would have a 79 minute limit, and if so, seems to make more sense for audio to be put on DVD, so that one can enjoy many hours of music.

I wonder just how much audio one could fit on a DVD. Some movies have as many as three commentaries, which works out to about 8 hours audio information. Don’t actually put a movie on the disc, and maybe you could fit even more…

I can see the music industry using CD’s for quite some time. After all, why make a DVD with only 70-odd minutes of audio on it? However, eventually DVD’s will probably be cheaper than CD’s to produce, so they may switch then. . . .

IMHO, CD’s aren’t obsolete by a long shot, and not for a while.

Unless, they apply the aforementioned “LP-DVD” technology to a Mini-CD.

Considering 95% of all CDs are less than 45 minutes long (yes, that’s made up on the spot) I don’t think there’s enough need for even greater storage potential to make the record industry switch standards.

But, outside of compilations/box sets/etc, what artist wants to release more than ~ 80 minutes of music? I mean, sure, there are double disc albums here and there, but the majority of CDs I have don’t even come close to filling the available space on a CD… I’d wager that over 90% of my albums are between 40 and 60 minutes long.

I think CDs will be around for a while.

Help me with the math here . . . so 5% of CD are between 45 and 60 minutes?

:smiley:

Ah, but then you can take advantage of the added space of the DVD to make the audio sound even nicer. Now, since I can hardly tell the difference between audio on a tape and a cd, I’ll leave this to the experts, but they’ve already started coming out with DVD-Audio which has the same number of tracks as a cd(The ones I’ve heard about have been rereleases of albums) but they’re supposedly of better sound quality.
http://www.digitalaudioguide.com/faq/dvd-audio/faq_intro.htm

Well, if everyone were like me (thank God y’all aren’t) then they’d be pretty much be obsolete already. “Pretty much” because, for the most part, there’s no legal way to download them.

But when I got my iMac, one of the first things I did was stick in all of my CDs, rip 'em, and forget about 'em. Haven’t touched them since. Not even for road trips, because I’m able to compose and burn a playlist that’s better than any one album.

If I could go to the band’s website, give them my credit card, and download the latest album as high quality mp3s or better, plus all the relevant liner notes and CD extras, then I’d never go to the record store again (except to see that really cute chick with the blue hair).

yep. I’m one of those ones keeping y’all back. I love going to the store and buying something tangible. I want more than music, dammit… I want a product. I wish everyband would work out some way to expand the amount of space the packaging takes up. I’ve got nothing against CDs, but I think they should be packaged in LP style covers.

I’ve already decided that should I ever release any music, I’ll be releasing my CDs in DVD style cases, just to take advantage of the extra artwork room it offers.

To quote Cecil:

kodak is developing some sort of holographic disc that is size of CD and can hold 200 gigabytes of data … i read about it in MIT’s technology review.

so is DVD already obsolete? no i dont think so.

i think CD will be around for some time yet. i still see TOO MANY people using tape players :slight_smile:

a lot of people have CD equipment, and while there is already a lot of DVD stuff around its not enough yet. for example i have not seen a single portable DVD MP3 player … and until i see one i am not buying a DVD-Burner.

I reckon one reason why typical CD length is shorter than the media allows (80 mins) goes back to LP length, which was typically 15-25 minutes per side. That explains why CDs of recordings originally released on LP are pretty short – they are often just a reissue of the LP song tracks.

Although most artists might not want to release a new, 10-hour album on DVD, I can see the advantage of using DVD for compiled, complete works: One disk to hold all of the Haydn Symphonies, or perhaps an entire Elvis or Beatles set, including the obscure and unreleased cuts.

CD audio is encoded 16 bit 44.1 KHz stereo (2 channel)

DVD audio is encoded 24 bit 96 KHz 6.1 (7 channel)

the difference is startling to hear.

I think DVD audio is the future.

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Although I do intend to preserve my cd collection on MP3 I’m still not 100% satisfied with the quality. Especially for more complex kinds of music, the MP3 does not cut it.

However, it is about time for the record companies to push some new format so that they can quadruple-dip their royalties (once for the record, twice on the tape, third time’s a charm on the cd, and who is lucky number four…)

And there’s always the opportunity for mixed media DVDs. An album on DVD may end up containing the same number of songs as today’s CDs, but also contain music videos, and artist interviews.

“These’ll replace CDs soon. Means I’ll hafta buy the White Album again” – Agent K, Men in Black

The big problem is format–there’s two competing standards, Super Audio CD and DVD Audio. I think that competition will keep CDs around for a while. We all saw how well two competing formats co-exist with VHS and Beta, and the better product won’t even necessarily win.

About DVD-Audio–how noticeable is the difference between that and CD? Can you tell the difference even on 2 speakers, or does it only because apparent when you use all the channels? Do you need a high-end sound system to notice the difference?

If you go to ABC radio you can hear their take on TNF - The New Format.

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First of all, CDs are definitely not obsolete :slight_smile:

The only way I could see CDs becoming obsolete in the near future would be if they a) started producing Mini-DVDs, which could contain all the information of a CD but with half the size, or b) used the capacity of a DVD to start recording in full quality 7-channel sound. Whatever happens, I imagine CDs will be around for several decades to come…