Are climate-change skeptics somehow more tolerant of heat? (in terms of comfort)

If climate-change skeptics want to deny that pollution is bad, okay, whatever. That’s another topic.

But when it comes to the sheer heat issue - scorching summers that are only getting even hotter by the year - surely their personal-comfort is no different, nerve-wise, than that of anyone else, right? How can a climate-change skeptic be in a hot region and think, “Yep, I’m just fine with roasting alive, my nerve receptors LIKE this?”

Do they literally not physically sense that things are getting hotter year by year? Would it take consistent 110-degree summers before they finally decide, “Y’know, I don’t like this, and it wasn’t like this before?”

And are people in unpleasantly cold climates more likely to be climate skeptics, or pro-warming?

I think, though, that there are few skeptics in Antarctica. It might be necessary to control for education level.

They swing between “It was always like this, it’s just a fluke string of very hot days, the old record is from 1930 you know, was it global warming back then too?”, to “It’s not man made, so there’s nothing we can do about it.” to “Are you going to give up your car and your gas stove and your vacation to Hawaii? I certainly am not!” And many of them hold several contradictory positions at the same time and are fine with it as long as they don’t have to feel bad about driving a big truck.

Why not ask a few of them? I don’t think the most prolific SDMB climate deniers are still posting here, but AFAIK 74westy, for example, is still around.

It has always been hotter on some days than on others. In particular, summer always has days that seem particularly hot, and people complain about the heat, just as winter always has days that seem particularly cold, and people complain about the cold. It’s as though people forget what heat, or cold, feels like if they haven’t experienced it recently.

It has always gotten hotter in some years than in others.

It has always been hotter in some parts of the country/world than others.

I am not a climate change denier, but if I were, my personal subjective experience of hot weather would not be enough to change my mind.

OK. I’m trying to decode something I said 6 years ago. Looks like I had the same issue with expecting people “get” irony that I still have now. As far as I can reconstruct, the discussion there was about record high temperatures in Feb 2016 and there was side discussion about the denier argument that, prior to that, temperatures had not increased a lot since 1998. Of course, that was because temperatures in that year were so much higher than normal that it took until 2015 for temperatures to climb that high again.

In other words, temperatures looked relatively flat because the deniers chose an unusually hot year as their starting point in a cynical effort to create an argument out of data that proves them wrong.

My comment was intended to show that unusually hot weather in 2016, rather than refuting a fallacious argument, would just give deniers a new carefully chosen starting point from which to argue that temperatures have been flat since 2016 and indeed temperatures haven’t quite reached that height since.

So I have been misunderstood but the blame is entirely mine for being so arch and not saying exactly what I mean.

As far as this thread goes–I hate hot weather! If it’s -40C at least I can dress for it. If it’s +40C, there’s nothing you can do. I still think my opinions are based on science and I hope most people’s are but you couldn’t prove it by me.

Conservatism in general, along with climate change skepticism, is correlated with age, as is a preference for warmer temperatures, so objectively, statistically: yes.

Where I live, there’s a lot of variation, but the weather is basically 35 to 40-ish degrees in the winter and 90 to 95-ish degrees in the summer, with about a week of rainy transition between them in the spring and fall. There are yearly variations, but I can’t say that the weather here has really changed dramatically in the last 30 years.

I’m in Pennsylvania, but I’m not all that far from Washington D.C. So the folks that run our country aren’t seeing a huge climate change over the past few decades.

Where I really notice the change is in West Virginia where I grew up. Again, there were a lot of yearly variations, but the typical winter there started with snow sometime after Halloween (and sometimes on Halloween) and you didn’t see grass again until the snow melted in March or April. Some winters weren’t too bad, others the snow was deep enough that we would make tunnels through the back yard.

The winters in that area have been consistently fairly mild for the past couple of decades, which was pretty much unheard of in the couple of decades that I lived there. Sure, you might get one mild winter, but not year after year like they do now.

Summers in West Virginia aren’t significantly hotter than they were several decades ago. There’s no easily noticeable change there.

It’s also worth pointing out that more people live in the Washington DC area than live in the entire state of West Virginia.

Yeah, I think it’s not that climate change skeptics disagree that the climate is warming, they disagree that it’s man-made. Instead they argue that global temperature rising is a natural fluctuation in the Earth’s climate, something that’s happened in the past, and will eventually reverse itself.

My son has that point of view. When I showed him the famous XKCD long-form cartoon of the fluctuations of the Earth’s average temperature from the Ice Age until present day, showing a clear, indisputable upward trend since the start of the industrial age, it just does not compute for him. He’s like one of those androids on HBO’s Westworld programmed to not see certain things.

The actual temperature is only going up by a few degrees. Maybe you have a few more hot days in the summer, and the hottest day is a bit warmer than the hottest day years ago.

The actual temperature that we experience is not the problem, and it’s not the reason for working to mitigate climate change.

A better question would be is whether they are somehow more tolerant of storms, droughts, or a lack of food and potable water. That’s the future we are facing that is going to be much more severe than a couple degrees warmer in the summer.

My apologies! I did not realize you were being sarcastic in that post.

First of all, to me, Man made global warming is real and continues to be the biggest threat to our survival in the long term.

Having said that, this statement :

is not scientifically correct.

Climate is a 30 year statistic and no one person can determine global warming based on a few hot summers. Similarly no one can deny global warming based on a few cold winters , either.

We’re cool.

No, we’re getting warmer. That’s the whole point!

(Sorry.)

People have lived in scorching climates for millennia.

General Sherman thought that Texas was so hot, that he said, “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.”

Personal comfort is affected less by turning the car air conditioner up another notch to compensate if it’s 93 degrees instead of 90 outside, as opposed to bicycling or taking the bus in 90 degree heat in an attempt to avoid climate change.

Your answer seems to be implying that climate-change “skeptics” don’t have to be “more tolerant of heat”, because they can just continue to avoid increasing atmospheric heat by using more energy, in the form of intensified air-conditioning. And rationalize it by continuing to deny the reality of climate change.

Sounds pretty accurate, tbh.

I’m not a climate-change skeptic. I completely believe the science and care very much about the issue. But I cannot honestly claim that I can physically sense that things are getting hotter. I have to put my trust in the data because there’s too much small-scale variation for me to be able to perceive firsthand the larger trend.

My parents (also not climate-change skeptics by any stretch) do claim they can tell the difference. However, I am skeptical of their claim. We moved into the house where they still live in Orange County, CA in 1987, when I was 5. It’s about 20 minutes from the ocean as the crow flies, which helps, but the house has poor insulation and no central AC. There are 4 bedrooms, 2 on each side of the hallway. They made a doorway between the two on the left (which face the shady backyard) to make a suite; their actual bedroom is the only one of the four with only one exposure, and the adjoining dressing room had the only window AC unit in the house when I was growing up. My room had no shade and faced the front yard and the street. Coastal SoCal does get cool at night, so during the summer and fall we’d open all the windows and turn on the attic fan at sundown and it would mostly be tolerable. But there was always at least one heat wave every year where that wasn’t enough, and my parents would close their doors and turn on the AC. If I bitched loudly enough, they’d let me sleep in the dressing room on those nights.

They spent their weekdays at the office and weekends we were all constantly on the go, so they didn’t spend much time in the house during the day. But I did. Starting in middle school (1995), they let me stay home alone after school and during the summer. I loved the freedom, privacy, and solitude. But the heat, oh gawd, the heat. Fortunately I was more of a reader than a TV-watcher, because I could do the former while shut up in their dressing room with the AC running. But opening the door to go to the bathroom or get a snack from the kitchen felt like opening the door to the oven. Finally when I was in high school, I persuaded them to let me get my own window unit for my bedroom, and I used it regularly from about July to October.

Global temperatures have been rising at an unprecedented rate since a little before we moved into that house. But for my parents, the tipping point came when they began their slow retirement phase-out plan some five or ten years ago by shutting down the business on Fridays. Suddenly, they were experiencing what I had experienced as a latchkey kid twenty years earlier: what it was like to hang out in that kiln of a house during the heat of the day in the middle of the summer. They haven’t actually installed central air yet, but they’ve bought window units for every room of the house. They are, of course, technically correct that it’s hotter now than it was then. But if you look at the numbers, the actual increase isn’t really large enough to be perceptible to a person with no measuring instruments besides his own skin. (Fun fact I just learned while Googling: while most of the hottest years on record have occurred within the last decade, one of the top ten was 1998–the summer before I started high school, and the last summer I was without AC in my own room.)

Meanwhile, since my high school graduation in 2002, I’ve lived in ten different dormitory and apartment buildings in Boston/Cambridge MA, the Netherlands, and San Diego/Orange County/Los Angeles CA, before finally buying a house in Pasadena a year ago. I spent another year in the midst of that living with my folks again in 2011/2012, when I broke up with my live-in boyfriend and started law school. Summers everywhere are hot; on the east coast they’re humid too. Living in the top floor of an apartment building means being a lot hotter than your downstairs neighbors. Ditto having south/west facing windows vs. your neighbors across the hall. Living right on the beach is infinitely cooler than living just a few miles inland (but every few miles counts.) Some years are hotter than others. That’s all I can really say for sure from my direct observations alone.

How much of this increase in the Earth’s average temp. is due to man made or natural? How much of the man made is due to the green house effect from emissions? Are there other causes of man made causes?

I am sorry but i have a hard time putting 100 percent trust in what science presents to us in the present day when they are more likely to change their opinion and stance in the future. Back in the 80’s the big hype was the depletion of the ozone now it’s the green house effect.

America’s conservative movement is deeply ant-intellectual and profoundly selfish. They simply don’t care if their children have no future.