I understand, I thought the same thing.
I don’t expect to make a primary income from this, but the extra few hundred bucks is nice.
You should still send your questions to the email address I posted, you have a lot of “facts” that are just wrong, and it’s glaringly apparent you are not going to believe me.
Have a great evening.
At least two of your fellow associates have. Also:
Yes, you are trying to recruit people!
Obviously you can NOT read so I will not engage you further.:rolleyes:
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Don’t worry I know what your thinking. :rolleyes:
skargo, please don’t change text inside of quote boxes. I saw you changed the colors to show which part you wrote, but we ask that people not do this at all.
He said
“It is against the rules of this message board to substantially change the text inside quotations.”
OOOOO, like I was doing it with bad intent, I was ANSWERING you for crying out loud, hence the red text.
You guys are aggressively not wanting to hear what I have to say, so let’s drop it.
This is exactly why i agreed earlier that this thread should be closed, and why I gave other associates crap about pimping their business here.
I have not tried to push this on anyone, and anyone who says I have is either a liar, or mildly retarded!
Why don’t we all go get laid, and forget about this? I really could care less if some e-thugs want to join, not join, or think wrongly that it’s some sort of scam. :D:p <------- this means I’m kidding about the e-thugs remark, in case anyone’s vagina gets too much sand in it.
You got it, I didn’t even realize it was a rule, thanks to pedescribe for reporting me 
Won’t happen again.
I’m giving you a formal warning here. You can’t call people liars or insult them in this forum. If you feel you have to post stuff like that, do it in The BBQ Pit.
No problem, I am done here and unsubscribing.
No, because I don’t want people like you scamming ordinary people out of their money. (And I don’t believe that you’re leaving)
Here’s a link to a similar company I found, Ambit Energy http://ww2.ambitenergy.com/
Seems to be the hot new thing now. Same money and no overhead for the company. Beautiful thing for a con artist.
Just a quick question about something I havnt seen addressed anywhere. And to be up front I am a utility worker. How are veridian and all these companies going to address custs who switch and then dont pay their bills? The utilities in NJ are owed hundreds of millions of dollars in unpaid bills. This will have to effect the bottom line. How will these companies deal with this and keep prices low?
To answer simply, because they are not concerned about customers signing up. They make most of their profit from signing associates. Even if what the guy above was saying was true, that he makes no money from signing other associates, it does not mean that signing associates isn’t Viridian’s main goal.
My hunch, and this may be the backbreaker because I have seen no reliable evidence to the contrary, is that there is no green energy from Viridian. I’m not an expert on this and I’m not sure how it works but excuse my language, what the f*ck is green energy really? I’m talking the straight dope, not buzz words. Is there really such a thing and does it really make a difference? Are pipelines required to do this? If they are how did Viridian get the financing to do this? I’ve read zero articles talking about any funding or investments into the company that is planning on growing so large so fast.
Is there any reliable proof that they are supplying this “green energy”? They speak of all these government certifications and so on but is there any proof or unbiased cites proving they really have these? Is it possible that they are not doing anything at all? This leads to people claiming their bills are lower. Is there anyway they BS their way through this? Let’s think outside the box here and not just assume they really provide energy.
Can someone explain to me exactly how this process works? How do they have access to just magically switch your energy? Do they have agreements with local utility companies? If they do where are the cites that say they do? How does all this nonsense work? Few people know how this stuff works yet the second they pay $400 they claim to be experts on it, as if the intricacies of utility companies are taught in 1st grade. Everything smells so fishy I’m getting ocean sickness just writing about it. I’m having trouble finding any reason why this is a legitimate company, especially knowing how many MLM companies have conducted their business.
How many times must millions of people be screwed over by pyramid schemes and MLMs before people just don’t fall for this anymore? But Viridian is supposed to be different?
I am not an expert either and I have no knowledge about nor comment on Viridian. But I’ll venture a non-expert opinion on “green energy” with a couple anecdotes. Hopefully, someone will correct any errors…
I recently moved away central WA (dammit…loved it there). From what I could tell, our electricity was primarily generated by hydro-electric dams; despite the need for transmission lines etc., this is considered “green” as it takes advantage of the typical weather patterns (snow/runoff).
I now live in TX, which has deregulated its power companies. The power companies serve as the interface between consumers and generators. (Note that there’s still a government-run third aspect here – they maintain the actual infrastructure utilized by consumers/generators.) We signed up for a 100% wind-generated plan; the same power company offered plans containing various mixes of electricity production (e.g., 50% wind, 50% coal). The wind generation plan is considered “green” because – again – it takes advantage of typical weather patterns (wind…um…corridors?).
Generally speaking, I think “green” power refers to non-coal/non-oil generation of electricity (not sure whether nuclear counts or not, although I’d say it’s not green…just scalable). With no information about Viridian, I’d have to suspect they operate similar to power companies here in TX: they act as middle-men between consumer and generator.
I am surprised at level of “commitment” people give their statements without really knowing the subject matter.
First of all, let me say I am NOT a Viridian associate… that doesn’t mean I am now going to defend them here… I just am providing some information because I know a lot about this subject: energy markets and deregulation, etc.
I will just go over a few points. Hopefully, it will help some of you who don’t understand.
– Viridian, and the companies like them (network marketing energy) DO NOT make most of their profits from signing up associates. MOST of their money is made from people paying energy bills EVERY MONTH. Just take a moment and THINK about it. Viridian has over 100,000 customers who pay, lets say an average of $50 a month in energy costs to THEM. EVERY MONTH! That’s $5,000,000!! that’s “million”… every month!! The $400 paid to Viridian to become an associate is a ONE TIME fee. To get to $5 million dollars in entry fee costs, Viridian would have to sign up 12,500 associates! They probably don’t even have that many RIGHT NOW, since the beginning! And that would be a one time income! AND they pay much of those fees back out to associates who bring in customers. BELIEVE ME, it’s about selling ENERGY every month, month after month. If what you just read doesn’t make it clear to you, then you won’t be convinced.
—“Green Energy” is energy from “renewable sources”… WIND, moving WATER, NATURALLY FORMED STEAM. Some even consider Nuclear power to be GREEN… though that could be debated.
–Other sources are said to be “non-renewable” Those are natural gas, coal, oil, wood fuels, i.e stuff that is burned/consumed.
— These energy companies, be they using the network marketing model, or traditional marketing, MUST apply for a license from a state agency to operate within a PUBLIC UTILITY. Viridian and the other companies like it are NOT phony companies pretending to sell “green” energy and then really just collecting associate fees… That is preposterous. These companies operate under VERY STRICT rules and must comply. They can lose their license and THEY DON’T want that as you could imagine with hundreds of thousands of customers paying them each month. The fact of the matter is, they couldn’t have got an approval to operate on the grid without showing they have A-1 quality systems in PLACE before they operate.
— If a customer chooses an alternative supplier and then does NOT pay a bill, that customer will be INVOLUNTARILY switched BACK to the ‘incumbent’ provider, such as BGE, or ConEd, and that customer will again start paying the highest rates they can be charged. (Typically, an alternative supplier will charge at least a little less than that). With this set up, the alternative suppliers won’t be left holding a customer who doesn’t pay the bill.
(not all states operate this way… for instance, in Texas, you will be disconnected pronto, and have to put up a substantial deposit before you get reconnected. AND if you choose not to pay, you will be reported to the credit bureaus)
–Someone said Viridian’s main goal is to sign up new associates. That’s like saying a new business’ main goal is to hire sales people. uh… not quite… Look past the sales people… The main goal is to get NEW CUSTOMERS… It just so happens NEW ASSOCIATES bring new customers… Again, remember the $5 million per month from the customers paying energy bills… Viridian wants that number to UP UP UP… if that means more associates, then yes, they want more associates… but not for the measly one time $400… not even close…
Maybe you don’t understand how the deregulated grid works huh? I don’t have time to explain that, but you might want to look into how that works, with separate generators, the networked grid, the delivery companies, and then retailers… (By the way, Viridian is only a retailer, they only need to buy
raw energy… they don’t have ANYthing to do with the infrastructure of the system… )
uh… no… they can’t BS there way through this… (I really held back a chuckle on this one). This is a public utility through which the likes of BGE and other ‘deliverers’ are still being used for the billing… Think about it…
How can it smell so “FISHY” if you really have NO clue as to what all the “nonsense” is really about?
In a nutshell, it’s pretty simple. These companies, Viridian and other network marketing energy companies like them are just APPROVED ENERGY RETAILERS operating in a deregulated market. The ONLY difference is, these companies are using a non-traditional business model. Albeit a model a few people on this forum don’t care for much. And THAT is a whole 'nuther subject. 
enough for now…
That’s the exact reason, though. No one seems intent on providing a clue. For instance, a listing of the actual sources (not just types of sources) Veridian operates and/or contract to transmit. If it’s not enough to provide power to Veridian customers, then the energy isn’t really green.
Let me get this straight, because I am not sure I understand what you just posted.
Because some “associates” of Viridian have not stated on this forum to your satisfaction that they ARE INDEED providing green energy, then it must be “fishy?”
What do you mean by “actual sources?”
Each company is required by law to list the “facts” of a product. And heck, even Viridian (and other companies) have a certification that their energy is “green” from the organization “Green-e.”. Check it out for yourself online.
It’s silly that people have to state the almost obvious to skeptics on this forum because they say it is “fishy.”. At some point the onus is on the skeptic to find out for them self. The obvious truth of the validity of these companies is out there for people to see.
“I don’t understand it, therefore it must be a scam.”
No…
Thank you for your most elucidating and informative post. I guess as long as they have a certificate, they’re kosher.
Here’s the thing: I just spent several minutes on Viridian’s website as well as Green-e’s and did not find any specifics about where the power is being purchased from and what their mix is. In case you think I’m an idiot, I was easily able to find this info on the website of my own power company, Central Hudson. Each green supplier they linked to had a breakdown of the mix of how their power was being generated (as did Central Hudson) – very easy to find. I’m not saying Viridian is lying about the 20% and 100% green claims, but it would be nice to see where they’re getting their figures from, sine it’s apparently not on their website or that of their certifier.
The reason people think Viridian looks fishy is because most power companies are not set up to be so similar in structure to MLMs. It seems like a natural enough suspicion.