There is a video of a group of woman wearing wearing green neon body suits attacking other woman. this attack took place at the Times Square subway station. Apparently there were men on the subway train who recorded the attack, but did not stop the attack.
I was talking with some people and said the men should have called the police, but were not required to get directly involved in my opinion. They got upset and said I was a misogynist and hated woman. I was called a weak punk. Personally I feel a man is only required to risk direct harm to protect his own female relatives.
I will call the police. I will donate money to your go fund me. I will and have offered assistance to men and woman when I can. When it comes to getting directly involved that’s reserved for my close relatives and loved ones. I do not think men should risk life and limb for modern woman unless they have a vested interest. If you get killed who is going to take care of your family and responsibilities?
Am I wrong? Should men run into any situation and put their lives on the line for any woman? Am I a weak punk who is not a real man?
Chivalry would “require” that a man protect a woman from an attack by another man. Perhaps this would extend to a group of women as well. Since chivalry is dead and replaced by free lance photography, this is no longer relevant.
In no shape or form would I get directly involved. As far as legally that would not seem to even apply for any one other than the police or security at a particular location. In that case it would be their job and not a matter of choice.
Do the weak always deserve the help of the strong? It seem to me that many woman and society does not value what men do these days. Isn’t risking your life for ungrateful people casting your pearls before swine?
It seems to me that people do not always value men who put their lives on the line. Risking your life in modern day times seems like casting your pearls before swine.
How literal is this, or is it metaphorical? Are the rich obliged to help the poor? Are the intelligent obliged to help the morons? Are the tall obliged to reach down objects from shelves for the short?
Actually none of these is true. The only obligation the “strong” have is not to prey on those weaker than themselves. Anything a “strong” person does for someone else is and should be voluntary.
Note: I put “strong” in quotes because it is, as yet, an undefined term.
No. It’s doing the right thing. Of course, how much risk is involved could change the equation. Unless you’re in the Secret Service, you don’t have to take a bullet for someone.
I’m old enough for the impulse to physically defend a woman from a belligerent man (men) is kind of ingrained. Encountering a scene where women are attacking other women would throw an error in my wetware and probably immobilize me.
I dunno, but I would hope that I would step-in to any violent encounter to interrupt any person being attacked. I don’t know why gender has any bearing on the decision to get involved.
I once put myself in harm’s way for another. I tackled a guy that stole a purse from a woman. Thought I was doing the right thing but the experience of the arrest of the thief, 3 trips to Seattle for interviews by the prosecution on my dime and the trial that lasted 3 hours but should have taken 15 minutes really soured me on doing something like that again. During the interview process and questioning by the defense attorney made me feel like the criminal. The only praise was a thank you from the judge for being a brave citizen. Thought I might get a thank you from the victim, I did save her from losing the $800 she had in her purse but got nothing. I haven’t been in a situation like that since so I’m not sure what I would do.
I believe that everyone should protect the weak from the strong in physical confrontations with some limitations where perhaps due process of law is involved. Unfortunately it’s not always easy to determine who is strong and who is weak, and as a man it’s a tougher call for me when women are fighting. But the same solution that applies to children can be used in this situation, break up the fight and let it get settled somehow or somewhere else.
Also, there are non-physical situations where the weak need help also but it’s much less clear cut a lot of the time.
In a stressful situation, you can’t always count on the luxury of deliberative decision making. My defense of a woman would almost be instinctive…unless to do so involved forcefully confronting another woman. My role models for chivalrous behavior have neglected that possibility.
It’s the words “required” and “obliged” that make this a difficult question to give a short answer to, but a rich subject for a long and contentious discussion.
Required/obliged by whom? By law? I’d say no. Unless you are a sworn law enforcement officer.
Obliged by your own religious/ethical value system? Maybe… but to clearly put your own life at risk? Probably not. OTOH, "Greater love hath no man [sic] than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends, [John 15:13] so there’s that if that’s how you roll.
What if you can protect a weak, defenseless, overpowered victim WITHOUT any risk to your own life? Then, yes, my values would oblige me to make a 911 call at the very least (anonymously, if I really don’t want to get involved in the situation).
Then there’s:
which offers legal protection (from being sued or prosecuted) after the fact. But if the person inflicting injury reacts to your intervention by killing you, then you are screwed. Before and after the fact.
Back to the main question: there is no outside authority that requires a man to protect any woman in his vicinity. IMHO.
Sex has nothing to do with it for me. I do not in any way feel obliged to defend someone because of their sex. If I felt there was something I could do to help, I would. If I felt it put me in danger of ending up in the hospital and not coming home to my family, I would just call the authorities. Woman, man, I don’t care. I have stepped up at least twice, that I remember, to de-escalate a situation, and it did happen to be a man getting aggressive with a woman and her looking visibly uncomfortable. I would have done the same with a man in her place. In the case of the video, it is doubtful I would have done anything but call 911.