I don’t know about Norway, but as far as Sweden goes you are quite wrong about the violence. Yes, they very much do binge drink here, but unlike my native UK this doesn’t seem to result in violence. In my fifteen years of living in Sweden I’ve seen a handful of incidents. Let’s just say that the UK is different.
The Icelanders themselves don’t really consider themselves Scandinavian. The Icelandic Wikipedia page specifically mentions that other languages may see them that way, specifically pointing out English as an example.
Just saying, like. They are Nordic, which ain’t the same as Scandinavian to the actual people in the Nordic region.
An old article from the Chicago Tribune that may help:
On a related note, I’ve been watching the series Lillehammer on Netflix and while it is most certainly not a documentary by any stretch I don’t believe it is that far off base, either. Crime is treated as a social disease, and as such, can be treated. Punishment makes about as much sense in that mindset as punching someone in the arm to stop their foot from hurting. It may work, but causes as many problems as it solves.
On the chart cited in post #6, Iceland came in between Sweden and Norway, i.e. not very high at all - and FWIW all three rank below the United States.
Well well well. The definition of Scandinavia tends to shift to and fro, hither and thither, from person to person. But having said that: In my experience, as a Swede living in Denmark, Iceland is hardly ever seen as a Scandinavian country, not around these parts anyway.
And I’m not just saying that because I personally loathe the place.
I’d say in Sweden Skandinavien/Skandinavisk is almost never used. Norden/Nordisk is where it’s at. But as a Swede I am sure you know that, I’m more replying to you for the good of the greater community.
If he was executed American-style, there would be some people who’d consider the childkiller a patriot who struck a blow against a treacherous government in attempt to save western civilization.
Now, instead of being a martyr, Brevik is the laughing stock who whinges about not getting the latest video game console.
I think it is based in the realization that while “make them suffer” type punishments are emotionally satisfying, that satisfaction is bought with a higher incidence of crime down the line. And other people being victimized.
Lagom is a Swedish word. Despite very similar languages and population mixing for centuries, it has never made its way into Norwegian. The Jante Law is a parody of conditions in a small, behind the times village in 1930s Denmark.
It is not totally irrelevant, Norwegians do relate to the Jante Law. There is a cultural resonance. But it shouldn’t be taken literally, it is more like the way an American male feels the occasional cultural resonance with Homer Simpson.
Actually, Norwegian suicide rates are below US ones. Even if you don’t adjust for latitude.
You mean Nordic. Scandinavia is defined as the three countries that share a system of government, constitutional monarchy, and have mutually intelligible languages. Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. Iceland and Finland are republics with incomprehensible speech.
Double whammy! Firstly, the word he’s referring to (lagom) is not Danish, but Swedish (and, apparently, Norwegian); and secondly, that folk etymology, however amusing, just ain’t right.
This Norwegian is surprised, too. Sure, you may hear me use the word now and then, in an otherwise Norwegian sentence, but I was under the impression that I was sneaking in a Swedisism when doing so.
Hmm. Checks dictionary.
Huh. My dictionary confirms that it’s a cromulent Norwegian word. Whodathunk?