Are the original "Conan the Barbarian" novels any different than the later Conan comic books?

In looking at the Conan the Barbarian wiki page I had not realized that “Conan the Barbarian” was actually a series of novels in the 30’s & 40’s before it became a comic book in the 70’s and later a movie. I thought it had originated as a comic book.

If any one has read these novels I’m curious if they are any different in tone or content than the comic books. The wiki page seems to suggest that the literary pulp based Conan was a less sullen and more humorous character than portrayed in the comic books.

I haven’t read the comic books, but I loved the books when I was a kid. Conan was a full of life character in the novels.

To be picky, there is only one real Conan novel, Conan the Conqueror. The rest of the Lancer books are collections of short stories about Conan, with one actual novel written by de Camp and Carter. Some of the Conan stories were actually originally written about other characters which de Camp and Carter rewrote to be about Conan.

As for the question, I don’t remember him as being a particularly fun guy.

That would be “Conan the Buccaneer”, btw. And Conan had a lot on his mind.

I’ve read Red Nails and read the comic first. It’s a short story. I think it is ideal for comicization. I’ve also done the same with Moby Dick. That was all wrong. It’s a long boring book, but the language makes it one of the best novels ever written. The comic is about a crazy guy chasing a whale. In the early 80s somebody did a comicization of The Ring of the Nibelung. It was a cool story. On par with listening to just the recordings, and a lot quicker. But not comparable to seeing the production live, I’ve been told.

If you like Conan, try the Fafhrd and the Gray Mousernovels.

There is a lot of really really excellent sword and sorcery out there, and there is way more absolute shite in the genre :frowning: and it seems that unfortunately too many people have read the utter shite and refuse to consider the good stuff when urged. Sort of the same with science fiction and historical fiction. When it is good, it is great, when it is bad :eek:

[had the opportunity to read a few of Baen’s SF ebook slush pile a few years ago. Holy shit does not come close to the unsolicited manuscript I attempted to read. Though I would love the job as an income source, some of the books would be a serious struggle to make it through!]

I read and loved both the books and some of the comics many, many years ago. I don’t recall any significant factual inconsistencies, but if there were any they didn’t bother me as the tone and characterization of the two were the same. I’d agree there was less humor in the comics.

I don’t know about the more recent comics, but I read and collected the original ones. Roy Thomas and company did try to capture the spirit of Howard’s creation, and i think they did, within the limitations of the comic. They differed a bit in that comic books are a different medium, so the Conan of the comics was talkier, and they were more concerned with consistency than Howard was. Although, this being the 1970s when the comics first appeared, they were more 'politically correct". I wouldn’t call Howard racist, but his attitude was different from that of the post-Civil rights era, and he wouldn’t have had a major black character quite like Juma the Numidian.

Also, the comics weren’t quite as “spicy” as the thirties pulps were. This is highlighted by the fact that Marvel launched an “adult” magazine at the same time, called Savage Tales at the same time. The cover read “rated M”, and they had sorta nudity in it – Barry Smith adapted “The Frost Giant’s Daughter”, with the said daughter showing only slightly obscured nipplage and buttage. When they later ran the story in the regular Conan series, they covered a lot of this up.
The Conan stories, as mentioned, appeared in the pulps in the early 1930s. They were collected and republished by Gnome in the 1950s, at which time L. Sprague de Camp and others tried to connect them in a logical order, complete some, and write new ones. In the 1960s de Camp, Lin Carter, and Bjorn Nyberg contributed to a series published by Lancer books in 12 volumes that presented Conan’s career in chronological order. (Actually, Lancer folded before they could publish Conan of Aquilonia, which wasn’t published until Ace books took over the series in 1977). It was an uneven mix. De Camp had already written several histotrical novels and was a noted fantasy author in his own right, and his style meshed well with Howard’s, I think. Lin Carter’s style is very different and a little too fantastic, to my mind. Nyberg is a weird one – i don’t think he was otherwise known as a writer (I’ve only seen one other work by him) and I don’t even think he wrote in English. His story, though, is OK. (Despite what’s said above, the Lancer/ace series contains several novels by non-Howard people – Myberg;s Conan the Avenger, de Camp and Carter’s Conan the Buccaneer and Conan of the Isles. Conan of Aquilonia is a series of four stories by de Camp.)

Of course, Conan was big business, and they started putting out still more novels in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Karl Edward Wagner, Poul Anderson, and others wrote whole bunches of them. De Camp, who acted, I believe, as advisor to the Schwarzeneggar movie, wrote a novelization of it. These don’t always fit into the chronology of the 1960s series.

One of the more interesting was written only a few years ago by Harry Turtledove. Conan of Venarium covers Conan’s youth and early manhood, and is better than most.

Just as Bond got rebooted recently, both in the movies with Daniel Craig and in the book “Devil May Care”, because the series was getting topheavy , anachronistic, and bound by its own mythology, so has Conan sort of been “rebooted”. In the past couple of years they’ve re-issued the original stories, as originally written, out of “Chronological” order and with de Camp et al’s additions stripped away. They’ve also published Howard’s notes (that de Camp and company used to write or rewrite stories), so that we could at long last see them.

The recent comic books by Kurt Busiek are excellent, btw.

That explains a lot. Good Lord, I love my pulp, but most of them were unreadable, and the early readers didn’t even have Frank Frazetta doing the covers.

Get ready for another reboot.

(Despite what the IMDb page may indicate, no casting has been completed.)

That would be Gil Kane. He was the first penciler whose style I learned to recognize. The way he draws nostrils is quite distinctive.

I’ve got a complete set of the 12 paperbacks with all the original Conan stories and the various adaptations of his other characters into Conan stories and so on. Overall I really dig 'em, first read them when I was around 12. Proper sword & sorcery stuff with a lot more sword, the sorcery is generally the domain of Evil Wizard Types.

There’s definitely a grim sense of humor to them. Conan is presented as pretty damn fierce but gruff and fair. The older stories, or the ones based on older stories, read much better. The 12th book (Conan Of The Isles, I think) reminds me a bit of the newer set of Star Wars films where every damn loose end and character who ever appeared in the stories all seem to come together miraculously.

But great pulp fiction. Steely thews. Alabaster thighs. Crimson gore. Dusky-haired maidens. What’s not to like? Some great images stand out in my mind - Conan with his back against a wall, smashed and bloody from extended combat, facing down a mob of opponents with a grin and saying “Who dies first?”

In one of the first run of Ambush Bug they had a page parodying the various artists’ styles, having Ambush Bug drawn in each of their styles. For the one parodying Gil Kane they had a typical up-the-nose shot, which was hilarious because Ambush Bug doesn’t actually have nostrils. They gave him nostrils just for that one panel.

You left out ivory bosoms.

Totally agree on the 12th book by the way. Had that crazy Asgard (Sigurd?) who every other line would toss out some ridiculous curse like “By Ishtar’s teats!” or “By Shaitan’s fiery member!”
I still reread from time to time, but I generally quit after “Conan the Conqueror”.

I used to have a set, but loaned some of them to a friend I’ve since lost touch with. Oh well, most of them I got used for cheap anyway.

Those I mostly liked. The modern ones are more hit or miss. Of the ones I read, I liked the ones by Robert Jordan (yes, that Robert Jordan) the best, and the worst, I can’t remember the author’s name, but one of his books was some retarded shit about Conan joining a circus or something. My friend and I both began avoiding any of that author’s books after reading a couple.

They’re definitely more graphic than the comics (ironic?), both in violence and especially in sex, but books in general let a lot more through. Probably because they don’t have the “look kids, COMICS!” stigma, or an equivalent of the Comics Code Authority.

Gil Kane also did a nice adaptation of Howard’s “The Valley of the Worm” way back in the early 70s (in Supernatural Tales #3, IIRC).

Could you post shots of a few panels? I’d love to see it.

Maybe tomorrow if I can lay my hands on it.

BTW it is Supernatural Thrillers #3. I notice there are several copies for sale on eBay. Here’s one for example.