Are there any businesses you patronize because of the owners-employees/atmosphere?

I spent the weekend with my sister and one of the recurring themes in our conversation was our irritation with the increasing blandness of culture in general. One topic visited was businesses.

Back in the early '90s my sister, a pharmacist who couldn’t stand the chain store she worked for, bought her own shop, a pharmacy that had been in business since the 1920s but whose glory days had long past. This was in a small city (about 10,000 people) that already had most of the major chain pharmacies and a couple of independents, so she was told “you’re going to lose your shirt” and had to do some creative financing.
The pharmacy she bought was your typical bland small town drugstore. The pharmacy she wanted was the one from the Jazz Age/Depression Era/World War II pictures of the place with an ice cream & soda fountain/oak fixtures/old signs/etc., and again she was told she was an idiot for spending her savings to buy the wooden cabinets of a condemned pharmacy in Mississippi/a 1950s ice cream fountain from a small town in Georgia/a player piano and vintage jukebox from various auctions etc., but she did. Soon it pretty much was a 1920s small town pharmacy (minus the “whites only” signs and plus Viagra and other modern drugs) with the soda fountain up front where her husband and employees in paper hats/aprons would fix shakes/sodas/malts/Tin Lizzies/Lime Rickeys and every other ice cream drink you’ve ever heard of, all for cheaper than you could get milkshakes at any restaurant in town and many times better, the play piano and jukebox (took nickels) going, a model train that ran through the place, model airplanes that flew on wires upon occasion, artwork made by local artistans for sale on consignment, etc… For those who’ve read some posts about my family you know that it quickly- almost immediately- became an institution where you could rarely find a seat at one of the ice cream parlor tables, got write-ups in USA Today/NYT/various travel magazines/Canadian & Brit & German newspapers/etc… The soda fountain alone was literally a money-maker in its own right from day one and brought people into the store in droves, while there anyway they’d get their prescriptions filled (or they could have them delivered in the store’s Model T) and over the next decade she made enough money from what she took in, what she was able to invest in the then booming real estate market where she lives (she got out before the bubble burst) and from the sale of the store that she owns several homes and, barring a major depression or other catastrophe she doesn’t ever have to work again. Meanwhile one of the independents and one of the chainstores in town went under.
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Okay, point of mentioning this isn’t to brag (I didn’t have anything to do with her drugstore) but to point out that people definitely will patronize atmosphere. Now with pharmaceuticals it’s a bit different than other businesses perhaps: a $25 co-pay is a $25 whether at my sister’s store or at Wal-Mart so there was no real price incentive to go elsewhere.
OTOH, I lament the loss of all the independent bookstores that were here when I moved to town. When I moved here there were several: one was a kind of mom-n-pop bookstore on the corner, some were new-used combo, one was the “Victorian sofa with doilies and espresso machine and stuffed owl [back before those were more ubiquitous than pay phones]” atmospheric bookstore with a major geek (not used as a pejorative) and or gaming club patronage. Today there’s one independent (in a not very convenient location) that sells new books and one used paperback place, along with 2 Books’a’Millions and a Barnes & Noble (that’s in a TERRIBLE location- it’s dead most days- no idea why they don’t move).
Anyway, while my business certainly isn’t enough to keep a place in business, I’d definitely be willing to pay cover price for a cool local bookstore than save 10% at BaM. (I can’t in all honestly say I’d pay $25 for a bestseller at an indie bookstore if the same one was $15 after discounts with card at BaM, but I rarely buy bestsellers.) The staff at BaM is rarely helpful, knowledgable, or even particularly courteous, and half the time if I see a book I want there and I’m not going to start reading it immediately I order it online where it’s a few dollars cheaper even with s&h anyway. In short, no bookstore has my loyalty, the BaMs are just a convenience where I can hold books rather than digitally browse them.

The only independent places left in Montgomery (metro pop about 300,000) that have any real atmosphere are some restaurants, most of them in older buildings. There may be a few upscale clothing stores still around (I haven’t bought upscale clothing in forever so I’m not sure) but everything else is chains chains bloody chains, or in the few businesses that are privately owned they’re usually as personality free as the chains without the conveniences.

So now the only businesses I patronize because I like the friendly employees or the unique atmosphere are a few restaurants. No bookstores/no hardware stores/no pharmacies/etc… (I blame much on the fact that Montgomery is impossible to get around without a car and the most architecturally interesting part of the city- the only part that has real character- is the downtown, where 19 out of 20 buildings close by 5:30 p.m. and the only people who live there are the city’s few but extant homeless.)

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A contrast: I lived in two towns in Georgia, each a college town with a population of around 20,000- and both had thriving downtowns and several cool indie shops and restaurants. My sister’s store was, again, in a town of about 10,000. Perhaps it’s only in small places where you can succeed against chains anymore.

So how about in your town- are there independent businesses you patronize? Or, for that matter, any chain stores you patronize because the people are friendly or give great service? Would you be likely to pay slightly more (say 10-15%) for the “community owned/personal touch”?

The town I am from in Connecticut fights tooth and nail to keepthe chains out. We have a couple, but many of the stores are independants. I try only to shop at local stores as it is better for the local economy.

We had a pharmacy in our town like your sisters, it was wonderful I grew up with it. It’s been replaced by CVS but I still have fond memories of it.

I certainly go to more stores that are independant, and yes I will pay more for whatever it is: Natural Food/Vitamins, Bookstore, trinket shop, whatever. If someone has put their time and money into the place it deserves to be patronized … that is afterall what we are there to do. Sure we could get everything we needed form Wally-World or Target, but what’s fun about that?

So in answer to your Q - yes I would and do shop at independants more than chains, and yes I will and do pay more for certain things.

I love spending time in shops that are indy’s - they have a different more authentic feel and I like that. There is something special about the culture and social setting of independant shops…it’s just plain nice! :slight_smile:

Absolutely! There’s a local cafe that goes out of its way to set itself apart from the usual dives we get around here. I won’t go into the details, but there was a recent brouhaha over this cafe that involved local “old boys” having their noses bent out of shape because these whippersnappers had come into town and created a popular cafe that was “taking away” customers from established businesses in town. Listen up, pals, those holes are nothing like the oasis that these people have created. We weren’t going to your skanky places anyway.

It’s not like having a cozy, welcoming atmosphere, excellent food and service, and personable staff is some kind of secret. If those other dumps tried having those things, maybe they’d be successful too!

Sampiro, when I was a child in Auburn, there wasn’t a bookstore in town at all. There was a BDalton’s in the mall, with the square footage of your average closet, and that’s all. I’m not impressed at all with Books a Million, but Barnes and Noble is thousands of times better.

On the other hand, there was (and is) Toomer’s Drug Store. I suppose they sell drugs of some kind, but I know for a fact that people travel hundreds of miles to buy lemonade there (and the lemonade made Esquire’s post 9/11 list of reasons it’s good to be an American).

When I’ve been visiting family and we’ve had reason to go to Montgomery (your neighborhood Shakespeare festival, mainly), I’ve been shocked at the change in the city. It’s got the feel of a ghost town, with regions of violence and dollops of “old money.” When I lived in Auburn, we used to shop there from time to time, and there were lots of stores and restaurants everywhere. Now, it feels like a bad dream trapped in endless parking lots.

St. Paul, now, that’s different. St. Paul is simply bursting with atmosphere and unique places. Sure, there are chain stores and the like, but there are also a lot of fun, interesting, and vibrant places that simply don’t exist anywhere else. People do enjoy atmosphere. I don’t know why that lesson doesn’t travel well.

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Both of my sibs are rabid AU fans/grads/indie pharmacists and both have considered buying Toomers over the years (the lease as opposed to the building- it changes owners about once a decade). Ultimately my sister didn’t want to leave the beach and my brother didn’t want to give up the lifestyle he has in his south Alabama small town (where $200,000 can buy a mansion) for Auburn (where it can’t).

Damn if that ain’t an accurate description. If it weren’t for Shakespeare this whole side of town would have fallen to the white flight and urban sprawl that’s hitting. Unreal how it’s changed since I first lived here 20 years ago.
People who have lived in Montgomery for a few years actually give driving directions by where things used to be. To get to my house or Shakespeare from Atlanta Highway, for instance, you can turn left by where Service Merchandise was, go to the closed Cracker Barrel exit, then turn left at where the Sam’s Club was.

What’s infuriating is that our downtown is- architecturally anyway- beautiful. There’s a building on Dexter Ave. that was a theater in the 1850s where John Wilkes Booth and his brother Junius performed MacBeth on the eve of the Civil War, where- how southern cred is this? Dixie was first performed, where the AL legislature held court when the CSA government borrowed the capitol building, where long after the war Oscar Wilde, John Barrymore, Mae West and other major stars played. It closed as a theater around WW2, unavoidable- BUT today it’s a discount clothing store on the ground floor and the top 2 floors are vacant. You’d never know its history if it weren’t for a historical marker I doubt anybody reads.
All of downtown is Italianate and Gothic and Second Empire style buildings built from the 1850s to late Edwardian era- except for where those buildings have been torn down to build nondescript boxes with windows that completely block one of the nation’s most beautiful remaining Gothic train stations (now completely invisible unless you’re standing literally 5 feet in front of it). There are no lofts, the shops and offices all close at 5:30, with one or two exceptions the restaurants are all Chinese buffets and Subways and the like- just absolutely nothing to recommend one of the most historically significant downtowns in the history of the south.
The absolute perfect illustration of Montgomery logic: Rosa Parks was arrested on Montgomery St. across from the Paramount Theater. Today the theater is still there, absorbed into the campus of Troy State University, but every single building on the other side of the street was razed.

Wanna know why? Sounds like something a Southern relation of Vonnegut would cook up.

The buildings on Montgomery Street where Rosa Parks was arrested to give up her seat were razed in order to build the Rosa Parks Museum and Library, the spot being since it’s where she was stopped… or was… before they tore down all the buildings… to commemorate the… historical significance.

A few years ago Angela Bassett came to town to film a movie based on Rosa’s 1955 experiences. The pivotal scene- the arrest- was filmed in WETUMPKA- a city about 20 miles south of here- because nothing looked right in the actual area where she was arrested.

Money Magazine just released its Best Places to Live 2008 and top of the list was St. Paul’s suburb Plymouth, MN. Even with the Siberian winters Minnesota is famous for factored in, some place in the state (usually Plymouth) has ALWAYS made every single one of their annual listings. Very probably the unique factor has much to do with it.

Growing up with “the customer is always right” (even though he isn’t) has become an embedded metric and I will patronise merchants who are polite, seek me out to offer help vs. treating me like an imposition in their schedule, and handle snags in a solve-the-problem manner that includes me as a vital link in the chain vs. me being the broken one. Sometimes that means a higher price.
If atmosphere is part of the sale the foregoing has even more bearing. Bubbles pop too easily.

Yep! There’s a very atmospheric artistic cafe here with a gourmet menu for both vegetarians and meat eaters, and an amazing juice and smoothie selection. Vintage furniture mixed with commissioned artistic pieces (cast iron base with mosaic top). Lots of displayed art, a community flyers area, and indy CDs playing. Of course, lunch there (only counter service) runs me at least $12 so… I go there as an occasional treat to myself. If the prices were a little bit lower I might frequent more… frequently.

I’m actually pretty lucky to live in one of the few towns on an island that is known for ugly strip malls, that actually tries to have some ambiance. Most of the new buildings try to keep their architecture in line with the original stuff, and the village recently replaced streetlamps, phonebooths, and crosswalks of the ordinary type with ones more reminiscent of Dickens. Where there used to be car dealerships there are now quaint businesses or parking lots with enough greenery to not be an eyesore. The town has actually consistently gotten better looking with development.

There’s also a gift type shop that sells unusual quirky stuff that I go out of my way to buy stuff from because I like the concept and the owner.

On the other hand, I find that Borders (I agree BaM is bad but they aren’t a real bookstore anyhow are they? Just a discounted reseller…) actually has more atmosphere than most of the independent book places in my area with the exception of one used book store, and an infinitely better selection. Only their bestsellers have any kind of discount, so it’s not like I go for cheaper books, I really do like the place despite it being a franchise.

On the other side of the coin - I definitely avoid places with unpleasant staff and even a lack of atmosphere or location in a strip mall. I will only go to a place like Walmart if it’s some generic item that I can’t justify to myself buying it for more than a certain amount.

What I often wonder is 1) Why are they building new developments, especially cheap ugly strip malls instead of just improving what they already have or rebuilding where something has failed - and 2) How they can let really unaesthetic looking places get built - I’ve been to franchise stores with huge parking lots that weren’t butt ugly, all it takes is some small attention to make any kind of effort into the design of the storefront, and to plant a couple extra trees. There’s an amazingly huge return on investment here.

Yes, service makes a difference for me. There are two local furniture stores; I’ve been to both, but I only do repeat business with one of them. At one, the salesman seemed to think I was an interruption to whatever it was he wanted to do. At the other store, there’s a salesman who somehow remembers me, even though I’ve only been there three times in seven years. If I want to look around, he’s fine with that, and the moment I start thinking I’m interested in something, he appears out of nowhere.

For produce, I have three choices: a produce stand, a local grocer and Wal-Mart. Believe it or not, out of the three, Wal-Mart has the best produce, the most convenient setup for shopping, and the friendliest employees. I tried Wal-Mart out of dissatisfaction with their competitors. The local grocery had cut the size of their produce section by 20% and apparently got rid of their produce guy, because the quality really dropped. The produce stand is fine if you’re gonna drop by for one thing, but they have no shopping baskets of any kind or anywhere to put your stuff while you shop; you end up struggling to get what you want up to the register and out of the shop; screw that crap. I gave Wal-Mart a shot. They had the nicest garlic of the three and baskets I could put my purchases in and friendly workers. At first, they had lettuce and some other produce items only in sealed bags. I told an employee I didn’t like that and now they sell it from open bins. (Was I the only person to complain? Unlikely, but I know that same Wal-Mart carries a car magazine I like after I gave the ‘Suggestions’ employee the name and the publisher.)

I wish I could say there was, but in general I just want to get through quickly. Price is my first concern, service is secondary.

I think that one of the effects of high fuel prices is going to be downtown revivals. Those cities with great downtown buildings that have been empty forever are going to see people wanting to shop and live downtown, so that they can walk or bike everywhere.

As for me, there are a couple of small diners that I patronize regularly. The food is cooked in house, the owners and staff know me and greet me by name (which I’ve given them permission to do). I get asked if I want my regular order. I give the servers extra tips in December, because they’ve given me good service all during the year. I try to avoid the chains, even though we’ve got some good local chain restaurants.

I wanted to buy a used book store in town, but things just didn’t mesh for me. I wish that they had, as I think that I could have really run a good store.

I chose my bank by chance (I didn’t have a car and it was the one of the two available by foot that was open on Saturday), but I’m glad I did. It’s mutually-owned Mascoma Savings Bank

http://www.mascomabank.com/MSB.whoweare.html

and they’re excellent. Friendly, helpful, quick response, everything. I don’t press it, but they will usually waive fees if you ask nicely. Plus they serve coffee and have dog biscuits at the ready for any canine visitors.

I love a little Portuguese grocer and cafe in our local “Little Portugal.” The people there are very helpful, smiling and friendly. Their small market carries imported Portuguese goods, like As Do Mar canned tuna and Portuguese cheese. I’m likely to receive a neighborly discourse on Portuguese foodstuffs and recipes when I go there, which I love.

They also fixed up the back of the market into a little cafe which serves topnotch espresso and little baked-on-the-premises cakes. It also has steam tables which contain bacalao and other delicacies at lunchtime. The cafe has a European zinc counter coffee house kind of feel to it, and it’s a hoot to hear Portuguese spoken by the customers.

It’s called “Trade-Rite” Market in San Jose. I love the place.

Pretty much everywhere I shop, eat, and drink is because of the owners, employees, and atmosphere. If the price is good but the service stinks, I won’t be back. Period.

I own an indie bookstore, and I get many comments about how the best thing about my store is that it isn’t a mini-Borders; it has a personality.

I go out of my way to patronize establishments that go out of their way for me. There is a Chinese restaurant in my area owned/operated by a very nice family. They recently added an eggplant dish with your choice of chicken/beef/shrimp. I asked if they would make it with tofu for me. It was delicious and is now a normal offering.

Also, there is a family run farm market. I buy much of my produce there.

My gf takes her vehicles to a local shop where they happily give her a ride home when she drops off her truck. These are just a few examples.

Yeah.

When I lived in the Sydney suburb of Bankstown, there was a run-down, shitty old kebab joint. It was truly nothing special at all. Then it closed down, and I saw the shop was being renovated. Eventually, I walked by one day and it was open. I walked in just as Said, the young adult son of the new management (a Turkish family) came out of the kitchen holding a big plate piled with something or other, and managed to trip over a rug. Somehow, he held it together, and didn’t fall or lose anything from the plate. But this did involve a funny, cartwheeling dance across the shop. The funniest part of this was that he was the exact spitting image of Manuel from Fawlty Towers. And, I found, a really, really nice guy. The whole family are lovely.

So it turns out, I was their very first ever customer. I left the shop piled high with free stuff, and I was always treated like a special friend on subsequent visits. Young Said would often be there late at night when I finished work, holding the shop open because he had become so entranced in the recitations from the Quran, blasting out of an elderly cassette player. His mum would always ask me if I had been there late at night, and would tut tut and say, “Silly boy! I TELL him to shut the shop at 9!” So I’d cover for Said and lie to her, but all in fun, as we both knew he’d kept the place open.

Fantastic people, great vibe, and bloody good kebabs. I’ve moved away, but still look in when I’m over that way.

Ugh. Other than restaurants, there’s a distinct lack of non-generic chain type stores around here.

Hell, I hope so. My boyfriend just opened a hometown camera store. Film cameras. Vintage. Public darkroom. It’s a good thing he has me to feed him.

Do you count “service” in with people and atmosphere? I’ll go to the local music store now instead of online for anything I can possibly get there because they were so nice and helpful when I bought a guitar from them. They got me exactly what I needed, gave me a much better price than I could have found online, didn’t try to sell me anything I didn’t want, didn’t rush me, were super-nice, etc.

We also go to the local game store because the owner is so nice.

On the other hand, some of those local ___ stores are Clearly Only For The Enthusiast. I’ve been in some music stores in my day that if I’d asked them for a decent beginner’s guitar they’d have showed me their nostrils all the way up to the sinuses.

Service is important in choosing restaurants - but I have to say I don’t pay much attention to relations between the boss and the help, unless it’s really bad.

There’s a kosher deli place not far from us that we used to go to about every other week, but the bad vibes between the manager and the employees finally got to the breaking point. That was when someone decided to express his, um dissatisfaction by taking a dump in the bathroom sink. At that point we decided prudence dictated taking our business elsewhere.

I’d tend to go to independent bookstores rather than chains if I really had a choice, but around here they concentrate downtown, and the atmosphere doesn’t compensate for the extra gas and time expenditure.

:eek: Wow. And employees are required to wash their hands after using the facilities!