[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer]
Maybe my reaction, though born of my phobias, is nevertheless accurate, and persons engaging in such behaviors are in need of therapy. But then why are spankers not automatically the same way, or role players, or fill-in-the-blank?
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Well, you can’t compare any of those - which are presumably enacted with a willing adult human being - to having sex with a dog.
Is that how it happens? 
[QUOTE=Anaamika]
And I wouldn’t have a problem with cross-species sex if the intelligence level was closer.
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So a reatrded adult and a doberman would be Okeydokey?
[QUOTE=Malacandra]
Hah, as usual, “males can’t be raped”. :rolleyes:
My experience in this field is limited, but I do believe it’s possible for a bitch to be thoroughly into it - and at least one Doper has posted about his queen cat presenting to him when she was desperate for someone to make kittens with…
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:dubious: How long ago was it that someone joke pitted the guy who got bit by his female dog for trying to have sex with her?
Just because she is presenting doesn’t mean she knowingly wants to have sex with you - she just wants an itch scratched. A male dog can bite the woman, or growl and leave. The dog decided to treat her like his bitch and cover her. Anybody who has tried to medicate or work on a dog who really doesnt want something done and gotten injured [just like bathing or pilling a cat] knows how interesting it can be to make a dog do something it really doesnt want to do.
<grin> And after all, it is a male dog and everybody knows that men are dogs …
[QUOTE=vetbridge]
So a reatrded adult and a doberman would be Okeydokey?
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Ouch. I got zinged on that one, eh?
Huh. Lucky dog…
[QUOTE=vetbridge]
So a reatrded adult and a doberman would be Okeydokey?
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Um…yeah I don’t think she was suggesting that at all. Apologies if I just got whooshed.
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer]
I thought I’d enjoy it a lot more than I did, actually. And no small part of my lack of enjoyment was my dog phobia; it’s probably impossible for me be relaxed in the presence of a dog. I’ll happily admit to enjoying Kath’s stories on the subject, and had she presented me with a videotape of the scene rather than the actual event, my response would very likely have been different.
What I was trying to get at in my post, though, is the fact that I didn’t truly believe such things happened with women unless they were coerced, financially desperate, or moved by drug addiction. Because Kath was clearly none of these things, it made me wonder, “Can she possibly be well? She SEEMS well, but…”
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Ahh, that helps me understand your account better. I guess if you have a dog phobia, this was not the best scenario for you. (If she does send you a videotape, let me know. I’ll bring popcorn.)
As to the surprise that a “normal” woman could enjoy being fucked by a dog: The older I get, the more I realize that you just can’t underestimate the secret part of people’s minds, their fantasies, and their realities. I wouldn’t be shocked (but I’d be very intrigued) to find out that any normal seeming, attractive, not crazy woman was into being fucked by a dog. If she had expressed any interest at all, like writing stories about it, I certainly wouldn’t be surprised.
So I guess I’m saying that things like this just aren’t so bizarre and uncommon as some people think. It makes life more interesting when you realize that people you see walking down the street, perfectly normal and sane people, might be into some interesting things that you’d never imagine.
And as to the appropriateness of such things, I’d say this is one very happy dog. Change the sexes, the sizes, the particular activity and so forth, and maybe you’d have something approaching animal abuse. Not as described here.
[QUOTE=Anaamika]
Ouch. I got zinged on that one, eh?
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I guess you didn’t foresee what I thought was obvious. All in good fun, k?
BTW, in my line of work I have stumbled upon zoophilia situations a few times. Not my cup o’ tea, but no harm no foul IMHO. I even once heard about a dog trainer who specialized in training puppies to be part of a “relationship”. He would live with the “family” for a week or more, teaching the human(s) how to train the dog to participate in the relationship.
[QUOTE=vetbridge]
in my line of work I have stumbled upon zoophilia situations a few times. Not my cup o’ tea, but no harm no foul IMHO.
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So what IS your line of work that this comes up? I’m assuming a veternarian, but I’ve been wrong before. Also, how exactly does this come up?
Normal person checking in here.
Yes, having sex with animals or dead people is pretty fucking weird. Is it technically a “mental illness”? I don’t know, I’m not a psychological professional. But such a person might want to ask themselves why they feel they need such “nontraditional” methods of getting themselves off.
[QUOTE=Asimovian]
Um…yeah I don’t think she was suggesting that at all. Apologies if I just got whooshed.
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Nonono, I know he was just joking.
I’m not always automatically quick on the uptake. blushes
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer]
Going off topic for a moment–do dogs really hump the legs of humans as enthusiastically as they are shown in many movies and TV shows? Is that sexual behavior, or something else entirely? Obviously I’m way too phobic to find out from personal experience; should a dog any bigger than a beagle attempt that with me, I’m sure I’d die of a heart attack.
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Probably, but I think to the dog, it’s more masturbation than it is sex.
…So, who’s up for a Tijuana Dopefest at the local Donkey Show?
Seriously though, I’ve SEEN dogs try to get off on humans in a dominate way, and it ain’t pretty. A friend of mine had a rather high strung dalmation that wasn’t neutered. Once, another friend and I were out on the porch waiting for her, and their dog got out. Her little sister (who was about oh, five, I would guess) came running out after him. He jumped on her back, wrapped his front legs around her, and would NOT get off of her. We had to holler for her older brother to come out and get him off. (That dog was big and he was strong-there was no way WE could have done it). It sounds funny NOW, but she was really scared and sobbing hysterically, and all scratched up as well. Eventually, I think, they had to have the dog put down because he was just too damned wild. I don’t know if he was trying to hump her, or if it was just a show of dominance or what, but we were really SCARED, because she was such a small little kid.
Now, think of a larger dog, like a dalmation, or, like in the story, a Weimaraner, who had been TRAINED to see human beings as sexual partners. The results might not be pretty. Add in the aggressiveness of an unneutered male, and you could have a SERIOUSLY fucked up dog. (Uh, no pun intended)
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Probably, but I think to the dog, it’s more masturbation than it is sex.
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Or, if it’s my leg, attempted murder. :wally
[QUOTE=Anaamika]
Nonono, I know he was just joking.
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See? I knew I got whooshed. :smack: Apologies to vetbridge.
By the way, pardon the slight hijack, but there have been a number of analogies and references in this thread to laws regarding sex with those who are mentally disabled. I’ve now done a little bit of poking around to try to find information about what these laws might be, but I haven’t had any luck so far. Does anyone know what laws actually exist regarding sexual interaction between persons of “normal” intelligence and those who are mentally retarded or disabled in some way?
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer]
Well, mostly I was KIDDING, Winston; I don’t have a list written down or anything like that. But as I was typing the earlier reply, it occurred to me that zoophilia video isn’t the worst thing to have found on your computer; kiddy porn and plans to assassinate the president (or engage in other terrorist activity) have to be tied for first place. What would you have guessed?
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The kiddie porn I’d have as # 1, as well, though I wouldn’t have come up with the same #2 as you cite here. I actually pondered a moment what would be worse than zoophilia, but not as bad as kiddie porn, but I’m still at a loss. I was momentarily fascinated at what might land in that slot. I still am, I guess. The whole presedential thing fits in there ok, I guess.
Maybe a Survivalist Manifesto?
[QUOTE=Winston Smith]
The kiddie porn I’d have as # 1, as well, though I wouldn’t have come up with the same #2 as you cite here. I actually pondered a moment what would be worse than zoophilia, but not as bad as kiddie porn.
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I said kiddy porn and the terrorist plans wre TIED for first place, so there is no number two.
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Zoophilia videos rank below the two I listed because, it seems to me, they are less likely to be automatic reasosn for going to jail. If I have videos from Brazil showing a woman reenacting the rites of the Goat of Mendes, I may be able to make a case that I’m not distributing it but merely in possession of something anyone with access to Yahoo! and a broadband connection can obtain. But if I have kiddie porn, given the current atmosphere, I’m likely to face prosecution no matter what; likewise with the plans to kill the president.
(Which I why I keep all that stuff on Jenna Bush’s laptop.)
[QUOTE=aruvqan]
:dubious: How long ago was it that someone joke pitted the guy who got bit by his female dog for trying to have sex with her?
Just because she is presenting doesn’t mean she knowingly wants to have sex with you - she just wants an itch scratched. A male dog can bite the woman, or growl and leave. The dog decided to treat her like his bitch and cover her. Anybody who has tried to medicate or work on a dog who really doesnt want something done and gotten injured [just like bathing or pilling a cat] knows how interesting it can be to make a dog do something it really doesnt want to do.
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I don’t know where you get the idea that a female animal presenting herself for mounting isn’t “knowingly” soliciting sex - the behaviour’s hard-wired for the purpose of getting sex! That itch she wants scratched? It’s the itch that gets scratched by having a dick put in her. It’s not like the poor female animal that didn’t understand she was asking to be mounted is in for a whole host of complications she hadn’t planned on, yanno - moral or biological.
And I sort of get the idea that if you tried to mount a female dog who didn’t want it she would be able to put up the same kind of objections that you reference for a dog that doesn’t want to be medicated or worked on. Ever see what happens to male animals who try to get it on with females who aren’t ready? They generally get snubbed even worse than I used to when I was young and horny. (By human females, I emphasise.)
Of course, and this hobnailed kick in the crotch I’m giving you, everyone knows that’s just a playful gesture. :rolleyes:
Having been about 5 years old and hump-attacked by a very good friend of the family’s husky, Smokey, every freakin’ time I would go over to their house, I have to say it is a very traumatic experience.
I would run away from the damn dog, on to high ground and get, " Shirley! Get off the Couch! I’m so sorry Edna…i raised her to be a lady."
All Smokey would get during his doggie tango on my back was, " Oh, smokey, cut it out."
And I don’t remember if he ever spoojed on me, if he did, I am sure the white bread mother brigade from the prim and proper uptight world that they still reside in would have blamed me for it all. Yanno, like I was wearing a low cut blouse, short skirt and let him buy me beers.
[QUOTE=Malacandra]
I don’t know where you get the idea that a female animal presenting herself for mounting isn’t “knowingly” soliciting sex - the behaviour’s hard-wired for the purpose of getting sex! That itch she wants scratched? It’s the itch that gets scratched by having a dick put in her. It’s not like the poor female animal that didn’t understand she was asking to be mounted is in for a whole host of complications she hadn’t planned on, yanno - moral or biological.
And I sort of get the idea that if you tried to mount a female dog who didn’t want it she would be able to put up the same kind of objections that you reference for a dog that doesn’t want to be medicated or worked on. Ever see what happens to male animals who try to get it on with females who aren’t ready? They generally get snubbed even worse than I used to when I was young and horny. (By human females, I emphasise.)
Of course, and this hobnailed kick in the crotch I’m giving you, everyone knows that’s just a playful gesture. :rolleyes:
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And did you read in a later post where I pointed out the man who got badly bitten for trying to have sex with a dog?
And the cat isnt stoppig to think that you are not cat sized - and will damage her. The male dog isnt going to be damaged physically by screwing a female human. That is what I meant by my female cant in heat comment.
And as for my blatently OBVIOUS JOKE where I even added a <grin> to make it even MORE FUCKING OBVIOUS that I was joking, fuck you.
[QUOTE=aruvqan]
And did you read in a later post where I pointed out the man who got badly bitten for trying to have sex with a dog?
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Well, make your mind up. Either the lady dog is a poor widdle helpless victim or she can bit the abusive man’s bollocks off. Pick your favourite side of the argument. :rolleyes:
Heh, I somehow doubt that it’s even physically possible to penetrate a queen cat, and I wasn’t suggesting that anyone should do so. What I was pointing out is that a female animal that is ready for sex is perfectly capable of soliciting attention. That’s all.
Here’s a hint. Were I to go “<grin>Homos are disgusting deviants who should all be electrocuted, slowly”, no-one would take any notice of the <grin>. Also, you seem to have forgotten which forum we’re in. If you want to Pit me, bring it on, but in the proper venue. Otherwise, don’t be a potty mouth.