Are there sexual practices which automatically imply mental illness? (Possible TMI)

Who? Me? I can report what I see to those who investigate and enforce the law. There are consequences to the owner in a minority of those cases.

Yep. Just as drug dogs that are trained to do their job need to be tightly controlled in an atmosphere where drugs may be present, say a school demonstration. Some dogs have such strong drive to follow their training that they are difficult to control.

Vetbridge, as I read it you were only answering the first half of Guninastia’s question. What about the the dominance issue–that is, would such training make the dog less likely to obey its owner’s command?

The more I think about this thread, the less shocked I am about “Kath’s” behavior. Probably the worst thing she did was misinterpret what Skald the Rhymer’s reaction would be to her little demonstration.

I think many (most?) men would be arosed watching a woman masturbate. Add in a dildo, and many men would find that erotic. If the dildo is realistically shaped like a human penis, well, all the better. Switching the dildo from a human-looking to a canine-looking penis would probably not even be noticed.

I have done dozens of artificial inseminations (dogs) for clients. One part of the process involves manually manipulating the male dog to ejaculation. Apparently I am good at this;). I regularly get referrals from veterinarians who are unable to collect from a given male, and nine times out of ten I am successful. (Aside-for some reason, papillons are tough to collect from)

Anyway, if a client can pay me to “JO” their male dog and inseminate their bitch, I don’t see Kath’s behavior as being that outlandish. No where near my cup o’ tea, but neither is probably 75% of what goes on in other folks’ boudoirs.

The thing I wonder about is what signals Skald the Rhymer may have missed from Kath. It seems like someone wouldn’t fuck their dog in front of someone if they did not expect that someone to be into the show.

Well, I didn’t touch on it because it really isn’t my area of expertise. Generally, any act that alters the dominance hierarchy is asking for trouble.

Hey- the more I read that last post, the more need I feel to point out that I do not condone zoophilia, beastiality, pedophilia, or the McDonald’s “I’d hit it” ad campaign. Thank you.

I’m not sure she did. Thinking back on it, and looking over my diary entry, I can easily see her as feeling I was being an asshole who was not nearly as kinky as I presented myself as being, and wanting to put me in my place. .

Nobody ever said I was smart. :smack:

I think I’ve said somewhere that I had read Kath’s story and found them enjoyable. However, because of my own prejudices, I thought them entirely fantastical as well. She didn’t say “come over and watch emulate Pasiphae,” after all, just “come over so I can show you something.” I was expecting she might show me a video, which I’d likely have enjoyed, and then we’d have argued some more about whether the women were forced, desperate, or what-have-you.

Again my ignorance is showing. Is the female dog necessarily submissive to the male? Because I’d always thought the pecking-order in the pack was about which males got to fuck which females.

By “dominance hierarchy” I meant more the interaction between pets and humans in the environment. Oftentimes, for instance, a dog may be submissive to the adults of the household while exerting dominance over the youngsters. This is bad IMO.

There can be a “pack” where a female is dominant, reproductive behavior is not necessarily about dominance. Non-reproductive “humping” can be a dominance gesture, but male-female intercourse does not imply male dominance (just ask my gf!).

Please do not take my comments negatively. This is an interesting thread, your candor is appreciated.

Oh, never fear; I was mocking myself.

Again asking to have my ignorance fought:

  1. Why do you put the word “pack” in quotations here?

  2. Do the female dogs ever express their dominance by humping, or in some other way? If so, do they hump other bitches only, or males only, or both? In an actual pack will there be a pecking order–say, with a dominant male, a female submissive to him but dominant to all others, and so on down the line?

“Pack” is a term that is usually used with wild canids. A household that has two Yorkies, a pug, and a golden retriever is more of a “pack” than a pack.

Yes, female dogs will “hump” as play behavior, dominance assertion, or for other reasons. Dominance among canids is asserted many different ways. Mouthing the muzzle of another dog, choosing prime sleeping spots, eye contact stuff, etc. are a few examples. Cows hump other cows during estrus and farmers use this behavior to decide when to inseminate.

A few articles on pack dynamics:
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/packdyn.html
http://policek9.com/html/pack.html

Sorry, I just saw your response to this.

I’m not sure if you saw the second half of my post from which you quoted, but I do acknowledge that one can see any form of training dogs as being selfish. Are you saying that the motivation for such training makes no difference whatsoever? (And that isn’t an attack – I’m genuinely looking for clarification.)