Yes, unfortunately I don’t have time to engage in the cite-war. So for the purpose of this thread I’ve stated my opinion, and I can’t back it up right now. And that’s where we have to draw a line.
If this thread is still going in a couple of days time, or better, if someone starts a thread actually about rape psychology I would be happy to participate.
Who said I was hunting for flaws in it? I said, on the face of it, it doesn’t conflict with my position, but unfortunately I can’t read it completely right now.
Genuinely, I would be interested if it provided compelling evidence supporting the claim that rape is mostly about domination.
I once saw a program on TV about a tribe in South America where the children were allowed to understand sexuality as a part of life, according to the person who made the movie there was very little if any sexual abuse.
What Biblical Values? Have you read the whole Bible? It has many incidents of sexual abuse etc. Maybe take another read? The Bible I have read many , many times has incest, child abuse, adultery, Murder etc. Even David the Chosen of God was a Murderer and Adulterer!
uh i know some of you guys like prostitutes and everything but there really is no reason to think that decriminalizing prostitution will produce any kind of change in sexual assault rates
You don’t need a wordwide conspiracy to get researchers all over the world to work with misleading figures, you just need a confluence of interest. It’s happening right now in the field of sex trafficking, where the government and various NGOs have for years used figures from seriously flawed studies that drastically overstate the number of women who are being trafficked, such as by conflating being “at risk” for being trafficked with “being trafficked.”
Governments like such flawed studies because they have constituencies that do. Moral conservatives like them because they make prostitution seem evil. Neofeminists like them because they allow them to attack prostitution by making all prostitutes seem like a victim class. Law enforcement and NGOs like them because “ka-ching” they make for big budgets.
I don’t have any numbers on rape statistics, clearly it’s difficult to get good numbers there, but the idea that the stats are inflated is quite believable.
Well, the claim has been advanced that reducing sexual frustration might reduce the incidence of rape, tied in with the claim that rape is at least in part sexual. So legal prostitution might help a lot with that. If you have a counter-argument, please present it. Just saying “there really is no reason to think” is not an argument.
Lots of ideas are believable. That vaccination causes autism is believable. Should I just go ahead and swallow this theory without any convincing data to go on? Or should I at least consider the volumes of research published on the subject that show this association is spurious?
I mean, kids cry when they get those shots. Why are they crying, if vaccines aren’t evil? Answer me that.
So, here’s a paragraph I found on that blog you’ve been linking to, Evil Captor. (The author is speaking of how researchers conducting a University of Pennsylvania study are, in her opinion, biased towards finding evidence of abuses where there are none.)
I think you can stop linking to that blog now. It really does not make the case you seem to think it is making.
Agreed. Of all the arguments put forth whenever somehow or other the issue of rape comes up that’s the silliest.
Based on that logic there should be no sexual assaults in Thailand or Iran.*
The idea that rapists engage in rape because they have a difficult time getting women to have consensual sex with them is a completely unsubstantiated dreamed up by insecure, socially awkward men who have a difficult time relating to women.
In other words, those suffering from “nice guy syndrome.”
*. Yes, prostitution is technically illegal in Iran but with Mutah(temporary marriage) which is sanctioned by the government it might as well be legal. They just term it something else.
Argue with the numbers and facts, not silly metaphors. I have shown you an instance of very bogus studies being advanced to support a view by governments and NGOs. Your previous post mocked the notion that worldwide conspiracies based on bogus, cooked-up figures was possible. It’s not only possible, it’s currently happening.
I dont have numbers on the rape studies themselves, but you’ll have to come up with something better than “that kind of thing can’t happen here!” because that kind of thing IS happening here.
Can you give us some examples of highly respected, peer-reviewed studies suggesting that rapists are motivated by “sexual frustration” and that somehow or other women in Thailand, Iran and similar countries are less likely to get raped?
Hell, is there any evidence that sexual assaults are less common in Rhode Island where its de facto legal than Massachusetts or in Las Vegas, where it’s de jure legal than in comparable cities in the US?
In my own experience there’ve been plenty of people like Mike Tyson, to take an extreme example, who have no problem finding consenting sexual partners who still engage in rape because, in his own words** “I like to hurt women when I make love to them. I like to hear them scream with pain, to see them bleed.” **
I suspect that what she meant is that Humbert Humbert having sex with his neice Lolita is not necessarily the same thing as some stranger forcing her into prostitution, though if so, her phrasing is bad, because Humbert of course was exploiting her. In any event, I do not see how your point affects the thrust of my argument, which is that these studies are deeply flawed and widely used by governments and news organizations to support their various agendas. Would it help if I presented another debunking of the study?
Nope, can’t be bothered. I merely pointed out that a counter-argument to the claim was flawed, I wasn’t supporting the claim itself. I personally think rape is a product of sociopathic thinking, an inability and/or unwillingness to empathize with the woman who is their victim. It’s not just that a guy gets horny and commits rape, it’s that he gets horny and ignores the fact that treating women like sex toys is wrong.
Just because one group of studies is flawed, it does not mean all studies are flawed. I was just objecting to your contention that just because a lot of studies say something, it must be true. I notice you are no longer defending that position. Good idea!