Is rape really about power and not sex?

It’s commonly said that rapists do not care about sex but that rape is simply a violent crime - no different from a beating or a stabbing, just with a different “weapon” used.

However, I would contest this theory on a few counts. For one thing, while old women, small children, men and so on do get raped sometimes, the vast majority of rape victims are young, attractive teenage girls and women in their 20s.

I actually think it’s dangerous to suggest that an attractive young woman is no more likely to get raped than say an older or obese woman, since it causes certain people to be ignorant of their degree of risk and others to be more paranoid about being attacked than they need to be.

I think most rapes are committed by men with low self esteem and that the underlying biological reason for most rape is a desire to get the victim pregnant. In other words the underlying motives are no different from consensual sex.

While it’s true that rapists probably get off on power, couldn’t the same be said for any sex? The ability to make someone feel good is just as much a form of power as the ability to crush them emotionally.

The kind of rapist that simply hates women and wants to make them suffer certainly exists but I would take a wild guess and say they form the minority of offenders. The freak who throws a woman in the woods and brandishes a knife is very rare compared to rapists who know their victims or use drugs. I would guess most rapists are opportunistic and have a severe lack of both a moral compass and self-worth but aren’t anywhere close to having the mind of a serial killer.

I could be totally wrong but I think this idea that rape is not about sex is mostly political correctness. The idea that rape could be about stealing sex rather than a hate crime offends our Puritan sensibilities. The American mind understands hate well but is gravely offended at such perversion. Which is kind of strange to me - would it somehow make the crime worse in people’s minds if sex was the motive, as opposed to violence?

To me personally, while rape is disgusting no matter what way you put it, I find the idea of it being an act of sexual and genetic frustration much less disturbing than thinking of it as some demonic unexplainable kind of malice. And no, I’m not saying men can’t help it, because they certainly can. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a Darwinian explanation for rape and that we have to introduce supernatural ideas of evil to explain the existence of sexual assault.

I could be totally wrong, but if I’m right I think the myth of rape having nothing to do with sex does a disservice to victims.

You know, I think the guys in India who raped a college student on a bus then followed it up with a tire-iron thrust up her vagina with sufficient force to enter her belly, such that when it was withdrawn it removed some of her intestines, then threw her off the bus into the street were NOT trying to get her pregnant.

Yes, of course there is a sexual element to rape. Duh. However, it’s too simplistic to think it’s just about sexual frustration and/or reproduction just as saying “it’s all about power” is also too simplistic.

Given how, historically, rape victims have often been reviled or even killed (either by the rapists or by the societies the victims live in), and the products of rape abandoned and killed, it doesn’t strike me as an effective reproductive strategy. Wartime rape that involves passing women around hundreds of men don’t seem to fit that. Wartime rape that ends in women being tortured/killed by insertion of objects into their bodies doesn’t seem to fit that, and used to be distressingly common (probably still is in some places).

Maybe you could explain date-rape or guys who drug-fuck-leave 'em as sexual frustration, but sexual assaults where the victim is severely beaten or otherwise injured, killed, or maimed don’t seem to fit “want to sire offspring” very well.

How about the idea rape is a vast subject and more complicated than many would like?

Cite for any of this?

What basis do you have for any of thinking this? Are these ideas you’ve just pulled out of your head? Or are they based on science? You know, like studies comparing the attitudes of nonrapists with rapists. Something like that. Do you have evidence to support what you are posting?

Every time this subject comes up, there is no shortage of people who profess to have a handle on the “true” reason people commit rape. But why should we put stock in your opinion?

Let’s not get carried away with the citations. I doubt very much that there will be a poll of rapists anytime soon asking them for the reason that they commit rape. Maybe a more successful poll would be to ask young ladies why they dress so sexy. After all, I’m sure that their parents have already told them that men are animals.

Do women have a secret desire to be raped?

Do you have a secret desire to be ridiculed?

Rape is now thought to be about both power and sex. And I’m not going to get into the rest of your…whatever those are.

I thought this was meant as a sarcastic response to the OP. If I am in error, please let me know so I can be properly outraged.

Thank you.

There have been plenty of surveys done on rapists, exploring their motivations and psychological profile. You’re aware of this, right? A simple query in pubmed returns some interesting-sounding abstracts.
Social perception deficits, cognitive distortions, and empathy deficits in sex offenders: a brief review.

College men as perpetrators of acquaintance rape and sexual assault: a review of recent research

Rape: psychopathology, theory and treatment.

Have you read these, donnie_darko?

I never said that no rapes are primarily about violence, all I was saying was that the type of brutality we saw in India and stranger rapes in general make up the minority of cases.

Studies show that the majority of rapists do not use more force than is necessary to complete their crime.

Well for one thing, the fact women are more likely to become pregnant from rape than from consensual sex.

I’d appreciate some cites for this.

No, no. Women can’t even become pregnant from a legitimate rape. Really, you should get your misinformation correct.

Look, I don’t even know why we have this thread. Sex is a minor part of the whole rape thing. If you want sex you just go down to your local whore. It’s obvious that rape is about power. And I’ll make a generalization here, the rapist is normally the guy that feels that he isn’t attractive. However, he is stronger than the woman he’s currently dating, so he rapes her.

Is it rape month already?

But…but rape is free!!!1

Why aren’t men more frequently raped then? No point of trying to express power over them, or you just know they won’t be as “easy” of a target?

Indeed. Almost halfway through it. In fact, it is curious that the donnie darko chose to start a rape thread on this particular day :dubious:

A couple things with the OP:

“It’s commonly said that rapists do not care about sex but that rape is simply a violent crime - no different from a beating or a stabbing, just with a different “weapon” used.” Actually while it is commonly said that rape is a violaent crime, I do not believe I have ever heard it categorized as no different from a beating or other assault.

old women, small children, men and so on do get raped sometimes, the vast majority of rape victims are young, attractive teenage girls and women in their 20s.

“the underlying biological reason for most rape is a desire to get the victim pregnant. In other words the underlying motives are no different from consensual sex.”

I would estimate that a very small percentage of consensual sex is engaged in for reproduction. Certainly in my case.

“old women, small children, men and so on do get raped sometimes, the vast majority of rape victims are young, attractive teenage girls and women in their 20s.”
The OP is correct as to age of victims. The rape, Abuse, Incest National Network states that 80% of rape victioms are under the age of 30.

However, I do not believe there will be any statistics to support the claim of “attractive”.

There’s also the other side of the coin. Girls from a very young age are told that men are animals. So they are much more careful about the way they dress than men are. Knowing this, why do some women let it all hang out? Isn’t that like saying, come and get me you animal?

As Adam Carolla likes to say, rape is a violent, violent crime no different than bashing someone’s face in with a bat, except you come at the end.